lopez wrote:Blocking/banning people is the least effective way to handle a situation. PM'ing a mod helps keep the conflicts off the forums and creates an open dialogue to help resolve an issue. Being tactful when making comments goes a long way. Like it's been said before, opinions and criticisms are welcome, but civility is all we ask.
Banning - or at least warning
- people who aren't willing to take part and be productive parts of the community is hardly the least effective way. If you have people here only to cause trouble or people who only are
causing trouble and are negatively effecting the community, you give them warnings and, if need be, you ban them. That is what moderating and maintaining a forum entails, not sitting on a chair and asking for people to play nice. You don't need to be a moderator for that. My one warning was given for far, far less than the ridiculousness that is going on in this thread, but getting some sense and perspective slapped into me even over something that silly did me far more good than a mod coming into a thread and telling me to play nice ever would have. If you let people run wild, they will
run wild, and that's what's going on here.
Being tactful and civil is wonderful, but you're ignoring the fact that we're not talking about tactful, civil conversations here. We're talking about off topic ranting that has had nothing to do with the actual game in question for multiple pages now. If being off topic is something you can report someone for, and it is, then that means off topic posts to the extent that these have been should have earned something more than asking people to play nice. That doesn't give anyone incentive to actually play nice - consequences do. Structure does. Frankly, a more concrete and less vague list of rules is something this board has needed for a long time too, but that's another point.
lopez wrote:It wasn't that he or the other NISA staff thought the censorship discussion shouldn't happen, it's because people couldn't, for a lack of a better word, "play nice" with each other.
Which is exactly why
there are supposed to be consequences for not doing so, as outlined in the first post of this thread in fact (the words "strictly moderated" are used, meaning anyone posting in this thread
agreed to that as soon as they posted) and why there should be rules in place to encourage that behavior.
Yes it is
lopez wrote:This thread wasn't made for continued censorship discussions. It's a FAQ type thread where people can ask questions specifically about Criminal Girls and find answers made by NISA staff in the original post.
. Or at least that is part
of what it was intended to be.Houk said so himself right here
, and if you actually read the first post of this thread, it's actually very clear that that was meant to be one purpose of this thread and why it was kept open after the FAQ part ended. That was part of the point. Unless it was unofficially changed when we weren't looking, or your clearly uninformed statements were meant to be taken as that changed, this is the censorship discussion thread
. It's just also other things too.
I've said it multiple times now, but you really need to stop making things worse by pushing something you truly are wrong about. This is the censorship discussion thread. There is no arguing that, so unless you intend to make and moderate a new one, there's no logic in trying.
And the worst part? The problem we're experiencing right now isn't even because of that. It has nothing to do with whether or not this thread isn't supposed to be a discussion about the censorship. The discussion actually taking place has next to nothing to do with the actual game and how it was censored.
Actual discussion of the censorship, so long as it's civil and so on, shouldn't be breaking any rules - according to how this thread was set up and what you said earlier, that should be perfectly acceptable. What we've been dealing with these past few pages, however, not so much.
lopez wrote:If people feel that they still want to discuss things like censorship and/or why there's no English audio in the game, then they can send one of the blue or red mods a PM and/or send NISA an email.
Houk wrote:I'm not going to limit discussion of the topic itself, but any amount of hostility, aggression, or otherwise negative or destructive conversation will be strictly moderated. That's true whether it's aimed at us directly or at other users.
Read this. It's at the very bottom of the first post of this thread - its intention was not
to limit the discussion, as you repeatedly have said it is, and it was not only
for the purpose of creating the FAQ on the first page. It was for users to - civilly
- discuss it
. But because we're not getting any moderation beyond "please stop" to people who are doing far more than what the thread set out to allow, we're in the shitty situation that we are. I'm not blaming anyone for that because Houk used to be here out of goodwill and Prinny Supervisor and you are unpaid volunteers essentially, but it's still what's going on and we can't keep beating around the bush.
And I'm saying this as someone who has often criticized NISA's localizations too, before anyone jumps on me and says I'm being a fanboy. I'm speaking as someone who wants better, cleaner boards for everyone, and I would hope anyone who actually comes here to do more than complain about an already released game would want the same.