Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:28 pm

Uummm...sure. Yes, yes Akiba Beat is more your slice of pie, wonderful.
As for "better"...I dunno about that, but Akiba for Akiba Beat and P5's Tokyo(Shinjuku et al) aren't meant to be comparable and from what I've seen is shaping up quite nicely, but compare away if you like...both won't appeal to everyone. I happen to like what I've seen, and you don't. That's good enough isn't it? P5 is P5, it'll speak for itself when it launches...and the series has been solid (spinoffs notwithstanding or counted) and I've enjoyed them all, I have high hopes for 5 and from what I've seen 5 will exceed expectations...but that's me, and the same applies to Akiba Beat...Akiba is Akiba though, not Persona...the only thing in common are Tokyo, but not even the same part so yeah...not sure what the issue is, I mean if you don't like a rendition that's fine, but that hardly makes it "inferior".

But enough of personal differences over aesthetics...


Back on the CG topic...skills! ...And coaching...I'm curious on the skillsets they afford.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:56 pm

Oh...and Kuroe still leads.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Battlechili » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:28 pm

Prinny Supervisor wrote:We avoided calling her "Riri" because we didn't want to get Rihanna ft. Drake involved. You know how she feels about work.

But as for having more material to show you guys, our official website will be up soon! It will have all localized assets, so you can see exactly what the game will look like (well, some of the screenshots were from earlier builds of the game, but you'll get a good idea).
Ooh, now this is exciting. It'll be interesting to see what's changed and what the final game will look like. Looking forward to it! (sort of). I don't like the idea of changing a game in the first place but its nice to be able to be informed about what the final product will look like.
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Ah yeah, I never agree with the western audience on that stuff. Like apparently people from the west seem to like Yoko from Gurren Lagann. I liked Nia way more.

I don't really like super aggressive/open/tomboy/ect. types.
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:17 pm

....And Dark Sakura puts evil Nia to shame.
Nothing like massive family abuse, torture, human experimentation, extreme repression, uber magic and love to bring the best in a girl! Am I right?

Well, they do say, whatever doesn't kill ya makes you stronger...unless that's what kills you in the end...but screw common sense and consequences...the feels dood!

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More importantly, thoughts on your (likely)favorite Criminal Girls 2 heroine?

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Dricsi07 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:46 am

Sleepyprinny99 wrote:....And Dark Sakura puts evil Nia to shame.
Nothing like massive family abuse, torture, human experimentation, extreme repression, uber magic and love to bring the best in a girl! Am I right?

Well, they do say, whatever doesn't kill ya makes you stronger...unless that's what kills you in the end...but screw common sense and consequences...the feels dood!

@Battlechili

More importantly, thoughts on your (likely)favorite Criminal Girls 2 heroine?

I don't have one and I'm still werry iffy about buying the game at all. Since the motivation sceenes are edited and they won't have ANY dialoge I'm pretty upset.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:26 pm

Valid concerns from a purist standpoint and a topic that's been beaten to death, buried, dug up and beaten some more.

That said, all one can do is accept things as they are at this point, remember that the new art *is* being done inhouse by the original artist and should, *should* not disappoint..but we can be such a greedy self entitled lot...understandable but at times counterproductive in the face of the behind the scenes reality that is..."redtape market/culture BS". US culture ratings BS aside, remember the game is still fun and more than just the minigame...as valid and justified as the reasons are regarding the changes...we can't put the cart before the horse herse, which we do...A LOT ...and then there's the culture to keep in mind that allowed these changes to be a necessity in the first place. We're still very prudish and immature about the strangest things and to have some oddly narrow vision because of it.

So...

Support it, don't support it, buy it, don't buy it, import it, don't import it, learn japanese or don't...those are the only sensible options we have left...expecting anything else at this point is delusional, unreasonable and pointless.

But hey, America...right?

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Dricsi07 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:15 pm

I don't live in the USA and belive me no one would give a shit about me picking this game up. Jet I'm still affected by it. Also the no dialoge is the one that is pissing me off the most. It just wierd when I do all sort of things and what I got is silence. Don't you think that they should say SOMETHING!?

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Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:57 pm

Of course I do...believe me, I've brought up over and and over that the silence is just plain weird, creepy and wrong...but as long as the west values percieved consent over gaming immersion than our feelings are a moot point. Likewise, audio tends to be done and filed in one go...we can't just splice out Western friendly audio and nobody has the cash or time to schedule and do re-recorded Western approved audio to appease the market.

Voicework costs A LOT of money snd time, and contract redtape BS...way more than you'd think and way more than is financially viable. DLC'ing the removed audio would require it passing through the ratings board and, if it did pass...then it wouldn't have to have been removed in the first place..but even I wish they'd try it anyway.

In business...sometimes you cut your losses where you can, fans outrage be damned and as long as the end product is "as close to the original as feasibly doable". You can take that part with justified skepticism if you like, but weird or not, wrong and mishandled as we feel or not...and unless somebody patches a miracle silence it is for the localized release, period.

Like I mentioned...
Support it, don't support it, buy, it, don't buy it, import it or don't import it, accept or don't accept it...either way we have to move on from a moot point.

Those are the cards we can play, shy of completely changing policy, market paradigms and working miracles.

It sucks, nobody likes it but what are you left with?

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Postby razisgosu » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:18 pm

To be honest, now that I think about it, what I would have liked to see is NISA gone back and recorded more appropriate lines to insert rather than just remove the existing audio. Remove something and in exchange give something back in return. That would have been a much better solution, but probably not viable due to increased costs and timelines.

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Postby neonie » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:35 pm

razisgosu wrote:To be honest, now that I think about it, what I would have liked to see is NISA gone back and recorded more appropriate lines to insert rather than just remove the existing audio. Remove something and in exchange give something back in return. That would have been a much better solution, but probably not viable due to increased costs and timelines.


The lines aren't the way they are in the original due to the tone off the game, in this case, though. NISA themselves wouldn't be able to record the lines, because you need the original Japanese seiyuu, so NIS would have to do it. In addition to that, the lines aren't necessarily bondage lines in Japanese, they aren't conflicting because they are opposed in every case, but just because that is how ecchi lines in Japanese are.

For instance, there are plenty of cases in Japanese hentai or porn where a girl will go "Eyaaaaaaaaa~." (Which basically translates to "Noooooooooo~." Playfully.)

The tone of a girl being aggressive or in this case... Have lines that sound more... Like "consent", I guess? Is actually it's different type of personality, and says more about the person* that would probably not pair well with the personalities of the girls themselves in this case. So in the touching minigame, they just become totally different people, which is inconsistent.

*Cough*Bitch.*Cough*
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Postby Dricsi07 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:45 pm

In this case I gona buy Gal*Gun. And I will see If the game suffers heavily from it or not (If it's gona be anything like Mugan Souls Z than I defenately inport it).

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Sleepyprinny99 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:44 am

Getting NIS to pull in the original seiyuu *just* for re-recording Western friendly audio...would NOT be a very business sane move here...as awesome as that would be.

An interesting point to consider is that the audio, unfortunately, proves why context is a big issue.
While fans who can appreciate and separate out context from reality can easily filter out the fiction and leave it where it belongs..in private and ingame, larger forces to consider...i.e. profits, ratings boards and policy tend to blow things out of proportion when fueled by incompatible cultural paradigms, well...on specifics of interpretation.

It's this sort of incompatibility that can really ruin a game's image...and that is totally our fault as the culture that let it happen to a degree...but, another rant altogether.

This is a situation that threw a good franchise under the bus and made the focus about something that it shouldn't have...case in point...the edits that, while understandable, leave a bad taste in your mouth when its decisions include removal of audio and citing it for both consistenc6vand because there was no accompanying text...Sorry, but nobody is gonna be okay with that and doesn't solve anything. The removal and doing nothing to fill in that void...is lamentable and a poor decision no matter the rationale...even if it was just for the minigame. It's like we're gagging the girls and tossing them in a soundproof room every time we motivate them....and maybe that's just me, but definitely, DEFINITELY doesn't help here.

Hearing that we'd get new art pissed me off and almost made me just import the thing..but NISA did a solid and made the responsible decision to get the original artist to do the new art, Live2D and all made me happy in a bitter yet excited kinda way...but it's hard being okay with silence..it's just wrong. Even if it is impratical resourcewise and due to technical limitationsat this point in the game, NISA should have put as much effort into the sound issue, or lack thereof since it's a pretty relevant part of the experience...unless we're saying it's totally fine to think we're tossing girls in a soundproof room to "motivate" them...it's not even about consent or context here...it just creates awkwardness with the girls...like in a really weird western creeper kinda way that could only make sense to the hypocritical western market powers that be...

I'm not blaming NISA so much as finding the logic to only be sound where money and resources *may* be involved/concerned...nowhere else is this okay or do arguments hold up.

It's such a weird case...this game.
I'm happy it's coming over, I'm REALLY happy it's a good series, I'm REALLY happy NISA didn't butcher the script and that it had decent game play...I just feel bad that it got thrown under the bus like it has in the weirdest places and at a time where censorship in games is so touchy...plus I'm sad it gets compared to games like Valkyrie Drive, Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun of all things as a result...*shudders*. They're all good games, if that's what you're into (not me but hey whatever) but none of those have any business or credibility to be compared to Criminal Girls...the situations just don't work.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Dricsi07 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:09 am

From my knowlige some of the problem comes from retailers and shops who would buy it. (It usualy gose in a way where they buy it and we buy it from them.) And it's hard to convince them to get the game (That gose for every japanese game) HOWEVER ordering the game online from theire own shop and trough websites(PlayAsia) can solve this problem werry easily. DOAX3 is a perfect example. It sold werry well on theire site(200k copy or so If I'm not wrong.). This games aren't loke CoD where everyone would just mindlessly pick it up, so the income probably wouldn't come come from them. But hey. That's just a tought.

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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby neonie » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:18 am

Dricsi07 wrote:From my knowlige some of the problem comes from retailers and shops who would buy it. (It usualy gose in a way where they buy it and we buy it from them.) And it's hard to convince them to get the game (That gose for every japanese game) HOWEVER ordering the game online from theire own shop and trough websites(PlayAsia) can solve this problem werry easily. DOAX3 is a perfect example. It sold werry well on theire site(200k copy or so If I'm not wrong.). This games aren't loke CoD where everyone would just mindlessly pick it up, so the income probably wouldn't come come from them. But hey. That's just a tought.


It's not just retailers. Console Platforms, (Microsoft and Sony), don't allow AO rated games on their devices. This is a PS Vita game.
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Re: Criminal Girls 2 is heading your way!

Postby Dricsi07 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:52 am

Umm...the game is out on Vita in Japan If I'm not mistaken. Doesn't that mean that it can't have an AO rating right from the bat? They don't allowe sex in the games there eather.


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