knightnightmare wrote:The Map editor was changed so you couldn't make naughty things with it. I guess SCEA requires you to have a mod watch over things that could be made perverse. That's what I always gathered from what happened anyways.
I don't know anything about that project specifically, but that sounds plausible. Any kind of "online interaction", including shareable maps, gets more scrutiny from ratings boards. To address an earlier point though, to my knowledge, the only games that NISA has censored to any degree are Mugen Souls
, Mugen Souls Z
, Criminal Girls
, and Criminal Girls 2
RandomR wrote:Which makes me wonder why people at NISA/NIS/whatever are willing to spend such a big amount of money to rate the game and prevent an unrated version while using the costs as an excuse not to make edits at the same time? I mean wouldn't spending money (or saving it depending on the costs) for an unrated release be better since it would make most people happy? I mean it's legal and there's no rating board in the way.
This isn't specifically my department, so I can only speculate, but I imagine that one of the primary reasons that Steam content is kept the same as what was in the localized version is because they are direct ports from the released console versions. That's the "base" if you will that the porting programmers start with. It's easier for them to port a finished product than to make changes and revisions during a port.
And as always in the world of video games and especially publishing, there are legal matters to consider such as licensing. Again, this is speculation (and any specifics would be under an NDA anyway), but it's important to keep in mind that a lot of "why isn't this included?" questions can be answered with "because they didn't have the rights to it in this country".
I will say again that I am trying to get as much weight as I can behind an argument for making an unrated, uncensored Criminal Girls 2
on Steam, but without surveys and sales numbers, there's little to go on. I did some cursory research and discovered for example that there are no thorough surveys/petitions for CG2 coming to Steam uncensored. Without something like that, all we really have to go on in terms of numbers are like...youtube comments. Which, y'know. Come on.
MikuruX wrote:So I'm just going to leave this here and wonder....was removing the audio really necessary if another company can get away with it?
First, keep in mind that there is a crucially important distinction between a woman moaning in pleasure and a girl with a very childish voice yelping in pain and saying "stop, it hurts". Surely you can see how the sounds of a BDSM-themed dubious-consent sexual minigame differ from a lighthearted, silly, over-the-top, "oh no, you can see my panties
!" game. Context is important.
Second: "necessary"? Maybe not. This is something that was addressed in our blog post, and I'll restate it here. We might
have landed an M with the sound still intact. But NISA did not want to take that risk as a company.
And third, keep in mind that there was also the localization aspect of those lines to consider. The game does not have subtitles, so there is no way to convey to the player what is being said by the girls in those scenes. Inserting subtitles of some kind would be a programming
decision, which is not what we do as publishers.
RandomR wrote:Now please if you excuse me I'll go get ready for when the police will come and bust my door open because I let my tamagotchi die in poop, I clearly committed a heinous crime against a fictional being made of pixels and deserve nothing short of the death penalty for my monstrous act.
That is yet another jab at the ESRB and their concern about pixels
Well first off thank you for at least acknowledging that I didn't invent the idea of "consent" and "power distance", because there are many folks out there who still think that somehow NISA came up with that terminology. But anyway, I think it has to be said that, no, the ESRB isn't making the claim that there's a direct equivalence between a video game and the real world. If you kill someone in CoD
, the ESRB is not saying "you are a murderer for killing in this video game", they're saying "this video game has depictions
of murder, which the player is in control of". There is a difference there. So in regards to CG2
specifically, the concern of the ESRB (and all ratings boards, really) is not "these girls are being sexually assaulted", it's "this video game depicts
be interpreted as sexual assault". How depictions are handled is determined by society, but that's a much broader issue.
knightnightmare wrote:They are sending those to Steam to die, Mugen Souls is a shining example.
NISA has nothing to do with Mugen Souls
on Steam, we don't handle that.