What should the next theme for Disgaea be?

[Rhuen]

yeah with the opening and all I though Axel was going to be on the main team too; and kept waiting for him to join during that whole A-virus episode; I really thought he was going to join after that.

Maybe if they did a tv movie theme he would be in the cast as a returning character from a past game (kind of like how D2 had Etna; granted Axel has only been playable in a side story game).

[ZekeFreek]

Two Words: Corporate Espionage. Like a Disgaea Version of Syndicate.

[Rhuen]

After the school them of Disgaea 3 I was afraid 4 was going to be about a Netherworld corporation; which could work...but Hell as a buisiness isn't very original; in fact its been done and alluded too many times; and is actually a running gag on (Ugly Americans) as Hell is full of strip malls and corporate offices. and we had that one movie where it was a law firm (which is also fairly common).

[Koro_Kizama]

1. ninjas
could be done sence ninjas appears in all gens of disgaea
2.a female protagonist who is a overlord majin
3.trinity from the matrix
4. neo from the matrix
5.Laharls dad, showing how he became an overlord and showng most of etna's past
and last but not least

6. Plenair has her own game as a time traveling demon to show what games she appeared in

I vote For 6


and pedro(lie)

[jr2nd]

i'd like an Etna and a grown up Hanako Story.. if you've played D2 and got the good ending..

Spoiler:

Hanako runs away with Etna

i think that would be a good idea for a wacky game or DLC add on!

[ShadowJetX]

I remember someone from dA classified the first three games as such:

D1 was about Love

D2 was about Family

D3 was about Friends

This was before we knew anything about D4.

How would D4 be classified in the same term?

And what could the next Disgaea be about?

[SiftRock]

I remember someone from dA classified the first three games as such:

D1 was about Love

D2 was about Family

D3 was about Friends

This was before we knew anything about D4.

How would D4 be classified in the same term?

And what could the next Disgaea be about?

Gonna revise this a bit

D1 was about Love

D2 was about Love

D3 was about Wasting your time holy shit what a awful story you should feel ashamed NIS

D4 is about Trust

D5 should be about not being D3 because D3's story is total shit

[dood]

I remember someone from dA classified the first three games as such:

D1 was about Love

D2 was about Family

D3 was about Friends

This was before we knew anything about D4.

How would D4 be classified in the same term?

And what could the next Disgaea be about?

D4 was about comradery

D5 should be about hate and how it's needed.

[Rhuen]

and what will the next long red thing be on the main character?

D1: Scarf

D2: Neck tie

D3: Jacket

D4: Vampire Cape (unique on this list as only the inner part was red)

I say D5 has a female Overlord with really long red hair (maybe even able to manipulate it like tentacles).

[dood]

and what will the next long red thing be on the main character?

D1: Scarf

D2: Neck tie

D3: Jacket

D4: Vampire Cape (unique on this list as only the inner part was red)

I say D5 has a female Overlord with really long red hair (maybe even able to manipulate it like tentacles).

The last thing the internet needs is more tentavle porn.

In D5 it should be his shadow (the MC that is).

[ZekeFreek]

I guess the Disgaea series will end once they run out of different kinds of clothinghairstyles to flow dramatically in the wind.

As a side note, I think D3's story was fine. I actually think D2 is the weakest link in the series.

[Rhuen]

Well they are all RPG parodies, Disgaea 2 just played it straighter than the rest did (the parody elements were subdued compared to the other games); but I personally felt that worked to its advantage.

Disgaea 3 bugged me, the characters worked fine, but only together *I can't imagine tolerating any one of them alone* some elements were barely alluded to (Sapphire has a thing for cute stuff, but it doesn't come up all that often and if you weren't paying 100% attention you'd miss it and wonder why she was falling for a teddy bear on the ground). The plot flow felt a bit jumbled and disconnected at times. The concept of school is hell isn't bad but the reverse psychology that becomes double reverse psychology on the demons felt more convoluted than it needed to be.
and it felt at times it was trying to parody the cosmosphere stuff from ArTonelico (Heart Bank) but it felt forced; like if you can't really fit the element into the world in a way that makes sense. So glad the Heart Bank is unique to that Netherworld and hopefully we never see another one like it again. I guess my biggest complaints were it tried to force the parody elements in a way that they didn't feel fluid with the world.

D4 definently subdued the theme a little so it wasn't so completly blatant and worked with that Netherworld; demons using government as a way to control their otherwise chaotic society. Feels natural, heck its pretty much what we do to control the chaotic nature of humans.

It is why I could see a Corporation theme, an overlord as CEO, controlling an Endless Labyrinthion city of Buisinesses and red-tape, and meetings, and work work work work. (I actually have in my own universe a Hell world like this (The city of Endless Buisiness); in the Black Netherworld it floats about like a space station made of buildings, hallways, going in all directions around a central core, there are structures dating back to ancient money changers, bizaars, clear up to modern factories and sky scrappers, buisiness of all kind and the demons, as well as soul bodies (human souls trapped in new forms as punishment) working here indoctrined into a system. With a scary buisiness woman (Cechantis) in charge of the whole thing.

Of course on the Disgaea side, I could see the "hero" being a demon who realizes demons are meant to be chaotic and opposes this system, seeing no point in it, (maybe a demon who has been in the mail room for centuries).


However I am also partial to the idea of a Movie makers Netherworld where demons make their own horror movies to send to the human world to collect fear energy and the main character is an up and coming Actor or Actress out to be the latest horror villain; "I will BE THE NEXT GREAT HORROR MONSTER!"

[dood]

I guess the Disgaea series will end once they run out of different kinds of clothinghairstyles to flow dramatically in the wind.

As a side note, I think D3's story was fine. I actually think D2 is the weakest link in the series.

In terms of story it was the weakest but I think it shined in terms of characters.

[ShadowJetX]

I think the next "theme" should be about respect... in a sense.

[SiftRock]

I guess the Disgaea series will end once they run out of different kinds of clothinghairstyles to flow dramatically in the wind.

As a side note, I think D3's story was fine. I actually think D2 is the weakest link in the series.

I've never seen more wrong in my whole life, I'm so mad about video games!

Disgaea 2 had a fantastic cast, each of them had a purpose and played a part in moving Adell and Rozalins plot along in some fashion, if you remove Zenon from the plot and think about the story being about those two in specific you'll notice how every character plays a part in showing traits and flaws within the main 2, while being interesting enough on their own. Everyone gets their own shared amount of screentime and while it may not of been as "lol random" as Disgaea 1, it knew what it was setting out to do with it's story and had a clear cut start and end with proper direction and some pretty decent writing.

Disgaea 3 characters on the other hand are a fucking mess. I warn anyone reading that there are spoilers that follow.

Mao is the worst character and honestly Almaz should of been the MC, there's no excuse for how badly written he is, through literally the entire game they constantly say "Mao opened his heart he's totally good now" but never reflect that, not once does he ever change his attitude, and unlike Laharl he never matures and stops being a brat, from the start of the story to the end of it he's a total asshole, and you have to depend on other characters to tell you he changed because they didn't bother to actually do any decent writing for him. I truly think he's the WORST RPG protag in any game I have ever played and is one of the most shameful examples of bad writing in video games. The Vita version doesn't help at ALL as it once again has to resort to Almaz popping in on scenes "Oh don't worry Mao isn't being mean he's really opened his heart!!" no. Bad writing, show don't tell, ugh, I could go on for hours on how he's honestly just a shitty Laharl clone who never matches up to the original.

Almaz as I said is about the only one that's written slightly well, he starts out hating demons and by the end of the game he's changed to accept them and be friendly with them, his speech around them changes, and he learns it isn't safe to judge people just because of a tag on them, he has character growth and characters don't have to keep spamming "Almaz totally trusts demons now." to get it across, it also helps I like his English VA

Sapphire gets a pass from me as well, because she has a established character arc and she and Almaz help each other grow as characters, though if Almaz wasn't around she'd fall on her face. They establish that she has problems with how careless she can be, and use that as a actual fault that she and Almaz have to work through (due to the whole teddy bear thing.) After that scene you see her more cautious of cute things and more willing to fight them or get rid of them if she thinks there's trouble, it's small but it's growth in character.

Mr.Champloo is literally just a shitty rip off of Vyres/Mid-boss, I cannot stand his awful VA, his stupid laugh, and his overall shitty personality. I hate that his character goes nowhere, he has no meaningful impact on the story (He shows up and states the obvious and then gets called a genius a lot, what) and if you tear away his cooking gimmick then he's as boring as stale soup.

Raspberyl would be a good character IF Mao changed at all, she's constantly trying to get him to improve his ways but due to never changing, she herself never changes, and has no meaningful growth as a character and as a result becomes a one trick pony, what she says the first time you meet her doesn't change at all by the ending, and every scene has her, in a nutshell, just saying the exact same thing over and over again. There is 0 improvement or change.

Her Cronies are the worst though, I don't even know why they're in the game, and it bothers me I'm not allowed to delete them, flatter then cardboard and lacking there own personality Kyoko and Asuka are honest to god shameful. Not only are they just slight recolors of generic classes, they're totally shitty characters as well, there is not a single good thing I can say about them. Least with Mao it's "he has a cool coat I guess" the story would literally not change at all if they were removed, and I hate that I can't throw them in the detention room and get rid of them forever.

Overall Disgaea 3 is a mess, on it's plot, it's only got 7-8 chapters to work with, and has no clear goal and bumbles around aimlessly trying it's hardest to convince you that some kind of change has happened and there's a lesson about opening your heart, but it just isn't there. The writing for the game and how bad the cast is almost kept me from purchasing D4 because of how awful it is, and it physically hurts to see someone praise Mao or 3's story at all.

It honestly feels like Disgaea 1 was goofy but had evolved to fit the more serious endgame featuring character growth and cast that was fully changing and improving up to the final scene, when Laharl was ready to trade lives with Flonne, they didn't have some guy in the back farting and laughing going LAHARL I GUESS YOU REALLY ARE A GOOD PERSON AFTER ALL YOU DID IT YOU LEARNED ABOUT LOVE YOU KNOW WHAT LOVE IS GOOD JOB DISCOVERING LOVE, it was a natural progression and when he made his choice, it made sense,

Disgaea 2 was far more subtle in it's humor, it had a clear goal (defeat zenon) but ended up pulling the rug out if you noticed and became all about changing Rozalin and showing her the outside world, there's a lot of subtle touches like her team attack chance slightly growing with Adell through the story (First fight in the game with the two of them it's 1%, by the end it's 99%) All of the characters put the two in interesting situations that they have to work together to get through, you can see character faults and they get called out on it several times for not being perfect and they work to change it and become better, and when the climax comes along you can realize that the Zenon was just the framework for the plot. Yeah it wasn't like OH SUDDENLY POWER RANGERS and and and MID BOSS!!! or anything like that but the dislike for the game is retarded like that.

Disgaea 3 set up a problem, and proceeds to never address it, characters are totally fine with never improving, and it feels like they just ripped off Laharl, but instead of maturing into someone the crowd can like just left him to be the same. It forsakes any kind of story for shitty high-school humor or whatever, and the plot never takes itself seriously, even to the end of it's main campaign, the characters have to tell you that changes happen and hope that you just believe them blindly and overall it's just total shit. How anyone can like this over 2 is baffling as Disgaea 3 is the biggest disgrace to writing I've ever seen.