ZekeFreek wrote:I guess the Disgaea series will end once they run out of different kinds of clothinghairstyles to flow dramatically in the wind.
As a side note, I think D3's story was fine. I actually think D2 is the weakest link in the series.
I've never seen more wrong in my whole life, I'm so mad about video games!
Disgaea 2 had a fantastic cast, each of them had a purpose and played a part in moving Adell and Rozalins plot along in some fashion, if you remove Zenon from the plot and think about the story being about those two in specific you'll notice how every character plays a part in showing traits and flaws within the main 2, while being interesting enough on their own. Everyone gets their own shared amount of screentime and while it may not of been as "lol random" as Disgaea 1, it knew what it was setting out to do with it's story and had a clear cut start and end with proper direction and some pretty decent writing.
Disgaea 3 characters on the other hand are a fucking mess. I warn anyone reading that there are spoilers
that follow. Mao
is the worst character and honestly Almaz should of been the MC, there's no excuse for how badly written he is, through literally the entire game they constantly say "Mao opened his heart he's totally good now" but never reflect that, not once does he ever change his attitude, and unlike Laharl he never matures and stops being a brat, from the start of the story to the end of it he's a total asshole, and you have to depend on other characters to tell you he changed because they didn't bother to actually do any decent writing for him. I truly think he's the WORST RPG protag in any game I have ever played and is one of the most shameful examples of bad writing in video games. The Vita version doesn't help at ALL as it once again has to resort to Almaz popping in on scenes "Oh don't worry Mao isn't being mean he's really opened his heart!!" no. Bad writing, show don't tell, ugh, I could go on for hours on how he's honestly just a shitty Laharl clone who never matches up to the original.Almaz
as I said is about the only one that's written slightly well, he starts out hating demons and by the end of the game he's changed to accept them and be friendly with them, his speech around them changes, and he learns it isn't safe to judge people just because of a tag on them, he has character growth and characters don't have to keep spamming "Almaz totally trusts demons now." to get it across, it also helps I like his English VASapphire
gets a pass from me as well, because she has a established character arc and she and Almaz help each other grow as characters, though if Almaz wasn't around she'd fall on her face. They establish that she has problems with how careless she can be, and use that as a actual fault that she and Almaz have to work through (due to the whole teddy bear thing.) After that scene you see her more cautious of cute things and more willing to fight them or get rid of them if she thinks there's trouble, it's small but it's growth in character.Mr.Champloo
is literally just a shitty rip off of Vyres/Mid-boss, I cannot stand his awful VA, his stupid laugh, and his overall shitty personality. I hate that his character goes nowhere, he has no meaningful impact on the story (He shows up and states the obvious and then gets called a genius a lot, what) and if you tear away his cooking gimmick then he's as boring as stale soup.Raspberyl
would be a good character IF Mao changed at all, she's constantly trying to get him to improve his ways but due to never changing, she herself never changes, and has no meaningful growth as a character and as a result becomes a one trick pony, what she says the first time you meet her doesn't change at all by the ending, and every scene has her, in a nutshell, just saying the exact same thing over and over again. There is 0 improvement or change.Her Cronies
are the worst though, I don't even know why they're in the game, and it bothers me I'm not allowed to delete them, flatter then cardboard and lacking there own personality Kyoko and Asuka are honest to god shameful. Not only are they just slight recolors of generic classes, they're totally shitty characters as well, there is not a single good thing I can say about them. Least with Mao it's "he has a cool coat I guess" the story would literally not change at all if they were removed, and I hate that I can't throw them in the detention room and get rid of them forever.Overall
Disgaea 3 is a mess, on it's plot, it's only got 7-8 chapters to work with, and has no clear goal and bumbles around aimlessly trying it's hardest to convince you that some kind of change has happened and there's a lesson about opening your heart, but it just isn't there. The writing for the game and how bad the cast is almost kept me from purchasing D4 because of how awful it is, and it physically hurts to see someone praise Mao or 3's story at all.
It honestly feels like Disgaea 1 was goofy but had evolved to fit the more serious endgame featuring character growth and cast that was fully changing and improving up to the final scene, when Laharl was ready to trade lives with Flonne, they didn't have some guy in the back farting and laughing going LAHARL I GUESS YOU REALLY ARE A GOOD PERSON AFTER ALL YOU DID IT YOU LEARNED ABOUT LOVE YOU KNOW WHAT LOVE IS GOOD JOB DISCOVERING LOVE, it was a natural progression and when he made his choice, it made sense,
Disgaea 2 was far more subtle in it's humor, it had a clear goal (defeat zenon) but ended up pulling the rug out if you noticed and became all about changing Rozalin and showing her the outside world, there's a lot of subtle touches like her team attack chance slightly growing with Adell through the story (First fight in the game with the two of them it's 1%, by the end it's 99%) All of the characters put the two in interesting situations that they have to work together to get through, you can see character faults and they get called out on it several times for not being perfect and they work to change it and become better, and when the climax comes along you can realize that the Zenon was just the framework for the plot. Yeah it wasn't like OH SUDDENLY POWER RANGERS and and and MID BOSS!!! or anything like that but the dislike for the game is retarded like that.
Disgaea 3 set up a problem, and proceeds to never address it, characters are totally fine with never improving, and it feels like they just ripped off Laharl, but instead of maturing into someone the crowd can like just left him to be the same. It forsakes any kind of story for shitty high-school humor or whatever, and the plot never takes itself seriously, even to the end of it's main campaign, the characters have to tell you that changes happen and hope that you just believe them blindly and overall it's just total shit. How anyone can like this over 2 is baffling as Disgaea 3 is the biggest disgrace to writing I've ever seen.