Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

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Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Alice Twilight » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:12 am

The Q means Question and it's also to stop thread title repliers.

Anyways, legitimate question.

Compile Heart games are made really cheap

They're made super fast because they throw their previous releases in the blender (w/ some original ideas
Think of it as adding a new flavor to an old recipe) and then see what they get, slap a title on it and sell it. Examples being The First Nep game and Re;Birth1, 2, 3 It's a mess of stock dungeons, reused enemies, CG's from other games, sound effects, and even UI

Made for a quick dollar See; PP and more recently the Re;Birth games.

Usually sold pretty cheap after a week or two

Low Quality; Stiff animations, low res textures (See VII's screnshots and look at the power of the PS4 on those textures)

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What's the most original CH game in terms of content?

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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby vampko » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:38 am

Monster Monpiece
All original music
Original backgrounds
Original character designs
Everything's original practically (well, unless you count how the monster girls were designed by all sort of different artists...? That kinda eased up the load some)
Even a fairly original battle system, even compared to other games in other companies' franchises.
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby vertical09 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:51 am

Funny. I actually havent played any other game from CH aside from Neptunia now that I think about it >.>

Anyways, I'd say Neptunia's battle system is pretty original. And speaking of the main series by itself, the battle system has definitely evolved from each game, as it will again in V-II.
Believe it or not, the battle system and it's evolution through the series is actually one of the things that keeps me tied to the series~

Now I cant say anything about the spinoffs and ports/remasters. That may be closer to what you can consider shovelware...
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Alice Twilight » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:36 am

vampko wrote:Monster Monpiece
All original music
Original backgrounds
Original character designs
Everything's original practically (well, unless you count how the monster girls were designed by all sort of different artists...? That kinda eased up the load some)
Even a fairly original battle system, even compared to other games in other companies' franchises.


I'll keep my eye out for that.
I hate to keep bashing on CH but you can only look at the same thing so many times. But yeah, if I see Monpiece around I'll pick it up.

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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Aushria » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:30 am

Alice Twilight wrote:
vampko wrote:Monster Monpiece
All original music
Original backgrounds
Original character designs
Everything's original practically (well, unless you count how the monster girls were designed by all sort of different artists...? That kinda eased up the load some)
Even a fairly original battle system, even compared to other games in other companies' franchises.


I'll keep my eye out for that.
I hate to keep bashing on CH but you can only look at the same thing so many times. But yeah, if I see Monpiece around I'll pick it up.

Its digital only.

In terms of concept and execution, Neptune and Monpiece are Compile Heart's golden cows.
Neptune for the brazen act of having an all female cast; I say this with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

Monpiece is just one hundred percent original.
Music
Mechanics
Backgrounds
Characters
Art
Story
Lore

The only issue with Genkai Tatsuki Monster Monpiece is the fact that it's a tower defense game. Which then brings up the issue that it could easily be compared to a shovelware F2P smart phone game.

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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby xizro345 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:30 am

I think people should understand what "shovelware" is. I could say something like the Simple 2000 series in the PS2 days was "shovelware".
People tend to forget what IF used to do before CH was formed, basically the Neverland series. It was a series of complex political relationships and continuity, with different (and often bizarre and poor thought) mechanics, as well as an underlying continuity, which also proved to be its "downfall".
More than "cheap" they're made with a budget that can't be changed, but unlike Gust pre-KT they have less technical prowess.
They're actually trying to go for PS4-only releases instead of relying on the Vita ports to "save" their sales (see Falcom and the new Ys, for example).
Also I'd like to point out Omega Quintet, despite not being brilliant technically it has some important departures in dungeon philosophy, as well as certain battle mechanics and field actions.
People seem to downplay how big the change between the original game and Mk2 was: it was a huge step forward for them (and also the first game by them to actually use mo-cap).
Most of the "cheap" ports aren't done in-house as they lack manpower (see Felistella for the Re;Birth series, Sting for Geki Noire, and Tamsoft for U and PP, not to mention Touch! Love Appli back in the pre-SK days).

The question shouldn't be "are they original?" but should be "is the overall product ok?". IF in the old days went extremely crazy with original ideas, to the point some Neverland games were a total mess.

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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby lopez » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:28 pm

I wouldn't consider CH games as "shovelware", atleast from the OP's perspective, but I'd definitely say, from the few games I've seen/played, that they are decidedly low(er) budget (compared to other JRPGs out there).

I gave CH numerous chances, but all their games, that I've played, have failed to impress.
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Postby Daverost » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Lower budget, maybe, but not shovelware.
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby FireDatPrinneh » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:02 pm

What is shovelware? I seem lost here.

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Postby Seventh » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:11 pm

Daverost wrote:Lower budget, maybe, but not shovelware.

Pretty much. It'd do people well to remember that, the budget aspect I mean, when judging them. Judge 'em for what they are/what they do, not for what they aren't compared to people who are doing what they never set out to do in the first place.
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Daverost » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:28 am

FireDatPrinneh wrote:What is shovelware? I seem lost here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovelware
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Leon Tekashi » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:19 pm

From the CH/IF games I've played (Mugen Souls, HDN, Monster Monpiece), they're far from shovelware imo, especially considering with HDN, each game has it flaws but there's improvements here and there, such as the battle system. I haven't played Mugen Souls Z, but I've heard that game made some improvements when comparing it to the first game. Also, as the others have said, Monster Monpiece was entirely original.
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby Alice Twilight » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:40 am

Checked on that monpiece vita game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4CZi13U35g
Why don't the 3D characters look nothing like the cards?

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Postby Seventh » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:01 am

They look like what class and race they are.
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Re: Are Compile Heart games Japanese shovelware? w/ Bonus Q.

Postby vampko » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:10 am

Seventh wrote:They look like what class and race they are.

Unless it's Nep. Then it looks like Nep.

Alice Twilight wrote:Checked on that monpiece vita game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4CZi13U35g
Why don't the 3D characters look nothing like the cards?

Because it's still CH, even if they went all original with things, they're still on a strict budget.
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