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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby Ringwraith » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:26 pm

kuroineko wrote:So how come every online game isn't rated Adults Only? Who do the pure and innocent little babies cry to when there is written and/or verbal communication with vile subhumans? Should I send a message via PSN to all the usernames I see (oh no what if I find their name offensive?) and cuss them out there to get my jollies instead of by mangling my senators and maps? Of course not, I'd get banned.

And yeah, I also love how they crippled the map making system in order to prevent people from writing words out with tiles. I hope they realized a lot of people were let down when they couldn't design their own maps how they wanted, but could only put down O's and +'s that can't even overlap on blank tiles. The kind of content they want to restrict would A) Be downloaded/played very rarely, B) Be rated very poorly, C) Reported and deleted, or D) All of the above, so scrapping all the good valid fun is a useless sacrifice.

Most games with online play don't have user-made content, and PSN names are already moderated by Sony themselves, thus preventing abuse of that system. The games with user-made content are quite heavily moderated, which is what allows them to be the low ratings they are (like Little Big Planet), and NISA can't afford to moderate everything themselves, so they had to make cuts in order to get released with a T rating. It's also worth noting that the edits that were made to these systems wasn't the fault of NISA OR Sony, (and that's been said multiple times in an official capacity as well), so complaining about it here isn't going to change a thing. If want things to change, take it up with the ones responsible.

kuroineko wrote:But aughh, you're all brushing off the fact that characters are called "bitch" several times in the main story dialogue, and the random names include gems like "Whore," "Death Satan," sexual remarks and genitalia references. If someone is going to be offended, it's not going to be from seeing my Alraune named "Strawberry Muffins" (oh no what if they're allergic?!)

You're missing the point, the content currently in the game falls under a T rating without going over it, thus it's fine for that to be there, but with user-made content it can get significantly worse and go into the realms of higher ratings. You can't make a 'selective filter' that only removes stuff that would be contravening a T rating and leave everything else, it doesn't work like that.
Also, maybe you've been playing a different game to me, but I'm pretty sure the game's content is not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be, not to mention that religious references are no way near as frowned upon as they used to be.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby kanade2 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:52 am

kuroineko wrote:As in, custom names would be randomized on your end (as it is now) ONLY if you have that option enabled. Otherwise you can opt to suffer through others' unoriginality as the consenting adult that you are. As it stands, "a significant portion of content" already WAS cut out, rather pointlessly, and I would very much like to see it.

But aughh, you're all brushing off the fact that characters are called "bitch" several times in the main story dialogue, and the random names include gems like "Whore," "Death Satan," sexual remarks and genitalia references. If someone is going to be offended, it's not going to be from seeing my Alraune named "Strawberry Muffins" (oh no what if they're allergic?!)


NISA also has to make a censor for maps along with the names thus it's a pain for them really .
If you want to see it get the Japanese version ,and play on their servers which are moderated .

Well that content is already rated by the ESRB to be in the teens. You ignore the simple fact that humans are capable of making content that goes way beyond what can be found in Disgaea 4 thus the restrictions on the online content.

Yes it does suck in the end they had to cut out things,but we probably wouldn't have gotten it to start with if they didn't bother censoring it .
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby kuroineko » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:53 am

kanade2 wrote:Yes it does suck in the end they had to cut out things,but we probably wouldn't have gotten it to start with if they didn't bother censoring it .

We all but didn't get it to start with after all. I really can't find it in my heart to care one bit for the "Pirate Ship #5142" pirates with their dread captain "AAA" and first mate "this name sucks." The only tell that it's user made is that their stats are all coked out.

In fact, I actually have my Network settings turned off because the only thing it adds is longer loading times when entering the Item World and the Cam-Pain.

Cool I can watch the AI be an idiot instead of actual player interaction, that's really what I wanted from the new online incorporated Disgaea video game.

And just like in Brawl, every single custom map is garbage. Their only use is for grinding offline (or in Brawl's case, sticker farming).

I guess it's great that you can capture a character with 300% aptitudes and all skills and evilities via online. Too bad they randomize the items traded over the network, though, but I guess you just can't win them all.

When will NIS release the SDK so we can all go to disgaeamods.com to download "Zombie Hitler Baby Killer XXX Teen Sluts Rolex Enlarger v9.3a" which is totally not rated by the ESRB? Or better yet, hire a single person to answer appeals when a user's custom content falls below a certain rating where it is automatically hidden from the general list and they complain that their handmade atrocity was unjustly silenced. They could even answer other customer support emails as well, but they'd have to be paid extra.
Ringwraith wrote:complaining about it here isn't going to change a thing

I realize this, but unfortunately I don't speak Japanese and have no power over NIS. The most I can hope for is Houk to come inside, feel a little bad, possibly mention dissatisfaction with censorship should the subject ever arise, and then for anyone higher up to continue on with their day. That, or some other players will think about it briefly, shrug their shoulders, and mildly exclaim "meh."
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby kanade2 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:28 pm

kuroineko wrote:
I realize this, but unfortunately I don't speak Japanese and have no power over NIS. The most I can hope for is Houk to come inside, feel a little bad, possibly mention dissatisfaction with censorship should the subject ever arise, and then for anyone higher up to continue on with their day. That, or some other players will think about it briefly, shrug their shoulders, and mildly exclaim "meh."

Or better yet, hire a single person to answer appeals when a user's custom content falls below a certain rating where it is automatically hidden from the general list and they complain that their handmade atrocity was unjustly silenced. They could even answer other customer support emails as well, but they'd have to be paid extra.


You don't need to know Japanese to communicate with NIS as I"m sure they have employee's that understand English . I'm sure they're aware that people are not happy with the watered down online content ,but since they have better things to focus on I doubt they will address it any time soon .

NISA is going to need to hire more than one person to monitor the US,and EU servers. I would think the mods would have enough work on their hands( even if they did add a report button in ) that they wouldn't have time to answer support emails. Plus why would NISA want the mods to work a CS job in the first place when it would cost them extra money? If NISA was willing to spend money freely they would have hired people to mod the maps already .
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby Yuuta-kun » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:22 pm

For this one thread i'm done being all smart. nice, and intelligent, time to say how i really feel.

It's because america is a stupid crybaby, stereotyping community that always needs strict rules because 90% of Americans in America act like crying 7 year olds, and can't understand crap.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby Ringwraith » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05 pm

Yuuta-kun wrote:For this one thread i'm done being all smart. nice, and intelligent, time to say how i really feel.

It's because america is a stupid crybaby, stereotyping community that always needs strict rules because 90% of Americans in America act like crying 7 year olds, and can't understand crap.

I wouldn't say it's the entirety, it's just the vocal minority ruining stuff for everyone else, but same idea really.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby kanade2 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:48 am

Yuuta-kun wrote:For this one thread i'm done being all smart. nice, and intelligent, time to say how i really feel.

It's because america is a stupid crybaby, stereotyping community that always needs strict rules because 90% of Americans in America act like crying 7 year olds, and can't understand crap.


Just redoing my post .

Well I don't think it's not fair to just blame America for this whole online restriction . Europe also got the restriction thus they probably have people who cry like 7 year olds,and can't understand crap.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby dood » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:41 am

Hmm I hate america it sucks.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby kuroineko » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:59 pm

kanade2 wrote:NISA is going to need to hire more than one person to monitor the US,and EU servers. I would think the mods would have enough work on their hands( even if they did add a report button in ) that they wouldn't have time to answer support emails. Plus why would NISA want the mods to work a CS job in the first place when it would cost them extra money? If NISA was willing to spend money freely they would have hired people to mod the maps already .

The beauty of it is that the players will moderate themselves, for free. You only need a barebones staff or existing support members to take up the scarce few appeals of the automatic system. Of course, NIS would have to implement this, but they won't since they have the resources not to, which totally hoses NISA who don't.

And in light of recent findings, I very eagerly anticipate NIS(A)'s actions towards customized item names online...
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby SiftRock » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:47 am

Yuuta-kun wrote:For this one thread i'm done being all smart. nice, and intelligent, time to say how i really feel.

It's because america is a stupid crybaby, stereotyping community that always needs strict rules because 90% of Americans in America act like crying 7 year olds, and can't understand crap.


You realize by saying this you're dissolving yourself into a idiotic racist right? Just wanting to make sure. For the record, if you say "But I'm a American I can't be racist." or something stupid that doesn't matter at all. Black dudes can be racist to the same skin color, you aren't special you awful awful person.

The guy has a point, the storyline does use excessive cussing, characters already have random foul names, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense no matter how much you try to white knight it. I've attempted building nice maps before as well, and frankly it's impossible, the limitations are far to tight, they don't allow you any creative freedoms and it got frustrating. I think I've only touched the damn thing a grand total of what, 2-3 times? It's one of those "Why is this even here" situations due to how garbage it is.

Senators I don't care if they randomize the name sure whatever, he'll be gone in a few seconds, but pirates are, as he himself said, pretty bland when they can only have super generic names, It kind of removes the personal flair of them.

Before the game was released I was cautious as I thought "man, these changes sure don't make sense to me." but NISA white knights rose up and cried more then I could ever imagine, pretending the company can do no wrong, so I waited, and now months after release I've let it sink in and sorry, you're wrong, the changes killed it and it's no longer fun. It's boring. dull, lifeless and stifled. Sorry if you can't grasp it but it's true =/. The online part of this game is a resounding failure, thank god the rest was great though.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby dood » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:32 am

I don't think the game cussed a lot....I actually think it was quite little.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby SiftRock » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:37 am

dood wrote:I don't think the game cussed a lot....I actually think it was quite little.

Fenrich seemed to randomly throw "bitch" out like it was free candy. Sometimes when it literally made no sense. The girls would be talking about something unrelated and he'll slide in "Gossipy bitches!"
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby myskaros » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:37 am

SiftRock wrote:Fenrich seemed to randomly throw "bitch" out like it was free candy. Sometimes when it literally made no sense. The girls would be talking about something unrelated and he'll slide in "Gossipy bitches!"

He's a werewolf >.> The script team probably thought it was super clever :P
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby SiftRock » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:09 am

myskaros wrote:
SiftRock wrote:Fenrich seemed to randomly throw "bitch" out like it was free candy. Sometimes when it literally made no sense. The girls would be talking about something unrelated and he'll slide in "Gossipy bitches!"

He's a werewolf >.> The script team probably thought it was super clever :P

Clever or not it's still using the word in a aggressive way :v. Will give you credit though that's a creative way to look at it. Etna complaining about breast size, demons using sexual references, general swearing, characters getting plastered etc and we're seriously being censored because someone might name their warrior donglord? That's really goofy.
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Re: So why are custom names randomized again?

Postby Ringwraith » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:36 am

SiftRock wrote:
myskaros wrote:
SiftRock wrote:Fenrich seemed to randomly throw "bitch" out like it was free candy. Sometimes when it literally made no sense. The girls would be talking about something unrelated and he'll slide in "Gossipy bitches!"

He's a werewolf >.> The script team probably thought it was super clever :P

Clever or not it's still using the word in a aggressive way :v. Will give you credit though that's a creative way to look at it. Etna complaining about breast size, demons using sexual references, general swearing, characters getting plastered etc and we're seriously being censored because someone might name their warrior donglord? That's really goofy.

Yeah, but it's because people would get far worse than that.
It's amazing how vile people can be. :|
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