Mafia XIX - This Game Ends With You - Endgame

[darkclaymore]

We were siblings.

That settles part of it then.
One of you MUST be scum. There's no way around it as facts don't add up.

It's likely Pringles as SJX claims to have an innocent on Vampko. That's less risky to try now that they are no longer, supposedly, bound to each other.

Guys, we need some serious discussion on this possibility here

We both knew our roles, yes.

Question is about alignment however. Siblings, as far as I know, is a variation of Lovers.
All the Lovers role really says is that both die if one dies. It DOESN'T confirm alignment, AND Scum+Town combinations are awfully common for this.

[PringlesXD]

Nope, we were both town. Lovers/siblings don't have to necessarily have a scum among them.

And it was said on the PM that both Vampko and I won with the Players, when all the threats were eliminated.

[vampko]

Claymore, did your character/role change as well?

[darkclaymore]

And it was said on the PM that both Vampko and I won with the Players, when all the threats were eliminated.

So it IS Masons?
Then.
What.
The.
Fuck.
Is.
Going.
ON!?


Do I, like, need to go as far as assuming EO is Mafia in order to make things fit...? Absurdity at its MAX here. I guess in the end, if Red loves mindfucking like I do, then even Neku could be a goddman safeclaim. But no... c'mon... don't make me consider that option...

Mizu's claim MAY, in theory, be a safe one. I believe Lopez's flip will tells us more about it.
If he flips anything other than SK, then the PoE done through Mizu's actions list becomes VERY doubtful...

Claymore, did your character/role change as well?

Yes, into Masanori Ito.


Lopez - 1 (Claymore)
Claymore - 1 (Vampko)

Undecided: Lopez, Mizu, EO, Pringles, SJX, TFG

[MizuMikomi]

I can confirm my role is changed ~

Anyway, down to business!

My suspicion is that all roles were changed, meaning the actions last night have no bearing on who is innocent and who is guilty. As there were more than likely alignment switches, so previous alignment lists are useless-- we are practically back to Day 1.

So that being said...
I beg of our remaining town PRs DO NOT TO CLAIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, we LOST THE DOCTOR, so we are all susceptible to NK's. There were TWO NKs, so we can now confirm the existence of an Sk.

Mizu's claim MAY, in theory, be a safe one. I believe Lopez's flip will tells us more about it.
If he flips anything other than SK, then the PoE done through Mizu's actions list becomes VERY doubtful...

Clay... even if my role was a safeclaim, it doesn't mean shit now. I'll claim if you want, just so you know exactly WHAT THE HELL just happened. But I can guarantee it will do more harm than good.

[vampko]

why'd everyone believe SJX's claim anyway

[PringlesXD]

Ah, so everyone's role changed. Coolios. Hahaha.

[MizuMikomi]

Vamp... don't assume so fast.
Clay, do you want me to claim? It might clear up a bit of this confusion, but...

[darkclaymore]

why'd everyone believe SJX's claim anyway

Because Main Character claim?
I mean, who would set out to get the Reapers if not him?

My suspicion is that all roles were changed, meaning the actions last night have no bearing on who is innocent and who is guilty. As there were more than likely alignment switches, so previous alignment lists are useless-- we are practically back to Day 1.

These are fairly bold statements.
I don't think Red would do something that bastard on her first game.
Think that, if we mislynch today, then tomorrow we'll have 5~6 players. Which means 50%+ of the living players should be scums.

Turning the Day before lylo into similar to D1 is quite a bit... unfair.

[darkclaymore]

Vamp... don't assume so fast.
Clay, do you want me to claim? It might clear up a bit of this confusion, but...

Whatever suits you... or majority.
I have a feeling this change is not permanent. Likely some BS caused by Sho, who according to flavor became the new Composer.

[MizuMikomi]

Vamp... don't assume so fast.
Clay, do you want me to claim? It might clear up a bit of this confusion, but...

Whatever suits you... or majority.
I have a feeling this change is not permanent. Likely some BS caused by Sho, who according to flavor became the new Composer.

Nevermind, I decided upon my own.
Check your PMs.

[darkclaymore]

THIS + GAME = MIND + BLOWN

Just... WTF is going on here really...

[suttonmitchell]

Told you I wasn't le scum claymore.

[darkclaymore]

Told you I wasn't le scum claymore.

I also said that

[Empty Overture]

Well, there went all of that careful planning, scumhunting, and even deducing who everyone was. My... willingness to play just dropped excessively...
Isn't doing something like this an Illegal GM move? I believe Miz planned something like this, but people told him not to. Ugh... we're back at square one with this bullshit...