GoldStarz wrote:*insert "sore wa chigau yo" here*
First of all, Fuyu's suffering isn't self-inflected. Yeah, he totally meant to kill Mahiru, but that's the thing he planned to kill Mahiru. He knew he was gonna get caught, and he was content with that if it meant doing what he felt was the honorable thing of holding an eye for an eye for his sister's death. The problem is, Peko knew he would get caught and wasn't about to let him sacrifice himself so she stepped in and killed Mahiru herself. If Fuyu had killed Mahiru himself, that would've been self-inflicted, Peko stepping in was entirely outside of his control.
Yes it is self-inflicted and allow me to explain, Kuzuryuu Did not truly want to kill Mahiru! despite taking her to the beach-house, he started to interrogate her about the picture/documents he had received from completing "Twilight", now if he truly wanted to kill her, then why did he bother to interrogate her in the first place? Its because deep down he didn't want to. Then after getting nowhere with her, Peko "believed" he was going to kill her and did the job herself. Kuzuryuu was shocked to see this. In the end Peko herself didn't understand Kuzuryuu's feelings and this is because Kuzuryuu kept treating her poorly to the point she thought she was a "tool" for him, despite them supposedly being "childhood friends". In conclusion it leads to him being at fault, regarding Mahiru's death as if he hadn't mistreated Peko and they truly understood each other, Peko would never have thought "he's going to kill her, I must do it myself to protect him".
GoldStarz wrote:As for not redeeming himself, you must dislike Chapter 3 to the point of blocking it out because that's literally ALL Fuyuhiko does. His reintroduction of himself, his seppuku scene, his volunteering at the hospital; all of that is just so that everyone can forgive him for acting the way he has and causing the Second Trial to occur. He literally thinks his life means nothing after the incident because he's only alive from Peko's sacrifice (twice over). In Chapter 4, he attempts to talk to Akane about what happened with Nekomaru because he knows that she blames herself for him becoming a robot because he'd felt the same way after Peko died and encourages her to still make the most of their time together (even if Akane isn't hearing any of this, but that's an entirely different story). My point is saying that Fuyu does nothing to redeem himself is more along the lines of how Hiyoko acted in Chapter 3, ignorant and blindly belligerent.
Actually you couldn't be more wrong, I actually quite enjoyed Chapter 3 overall. "he never does anything to truly redeem himself for his actions." "truly" being the key word, I don't dispute that Kuzuryuu "tries" to redeem himself but in the end he didn't do enough. For me to have been satisfied these two tropes were required: Heroic Sacrifice & Redemption Equals Death if that happened then I would of been happy and it would of shown me just how much he had changed since he first appeared. And yes Hiyoko was behaving "so" unreasonably in this chapter towards Kuzuryuu, I mean she not only had her friend killed, but she was also framed for her death thanks to him and she was acting hostile towards him? "How disgraceful and unreasonable Hiyoko is!"
GoldStarz wrote:Like, I'm not even gonna waste my time with that one, that's literally the opposite of true. Fuyu makes it very clear that if he's gonna make it, he wants to make it as him, not as the Kuzuryu Clan's heir. I mean, that's literally a plot point. That's why Peko wasn't revealed as his bodyguard until she was already voted out. He wants none of his family's power to help win him over (also, honestly i think togami's other talents were just kinda a fluke and he really was chosen because he was a rich heir but that's really nothing anyone can prove).
Notice the part I Bolded in the quote here? Now let's see what you wrote below...
His beginning personality isn't real, it's just a mask he wears so that he can seem threatening and live up to the hype built up around him.
Do you see how you've contradicted yourself? On one hand you're saying Kuzuryuu makes it "very clear" who he wants to be as an individual and on the other you say he's hiding his true personality to live up to his family's name/reputation. Well which one is it? You can't have it both ways here. You see here you've defended Kuzuryuu to the point, you not only contradicted yourself, but you've also denounced Togami's talents saying it was a "fluke", which is not true.
GoldStarz wrote:Edit: Also, you're still not explaining how they're the same type of character? I think your problem maybe you just pushing the right block into the wrong hole.
Well I thought this was rather self-explanatory, but okay then, to put it simply they're both arrogant Jerks. Except in my eyes one is done successfully and the other unsuccessfully. You see when an arrogant/jerk type of character is in the story, I expect them to be at least one of the following: Badass, Talented, Mighty and/or Intelligent. In other words I expect them to "make-up" for their arrogant attitude. In Togami's case he is rather successful, as he's not only one of the most talented characters in the series, he's also clever on top of that. Whereas Kuzuryuu isn't anything special, as you said yourself, 'his arrogant personality is just a mask so he can seem threatening'. Now to me a character that can't "make-up" for their arrogant attitude shouldn't be one in the first place and therefore fail ("bark but no bite"). Hence why I call him a fail-version of a Togami-like character (arrogant jerks.)
GoldStarz wrote:Yes. That is literally the point? His beginning personality isn't real, it's just a mask he wears so that he can seem threatening and live up to the hype built up around him.While he is totally capable of killing someone, the act very clearly mentally disturbs him and him killing Sato is more than likely what lead to him becoming Ultimate Despair in the first place. Essentially, Fuyu CAN be that person, but he doesn't WANT to be that person.
Yes exactly and that's why I don't like him. As I said in my first paragraph he isn't truly capable of killing someone, as deep down he doesn't want to. I doubt he killed Sato, as firstly "Twilight" game doesn't show you which character did it, only implies it was Kuzuryuu and secondly considering how the 2nd case went, it seems more likely Peko was the one who killed her. The most Fuzuryuu can do is behave like a "Yakuza" but when it comes to performing Yakuza-like deeds he backs down and gets Peko to do all his dirty work.
Well there's a longer answer to this topic but before I finish let me ask this question to everyone here. What is morally worse? An accomplice to a murder, or a verbal bully?