hey lyner long time no see ya.glad to hear that your still aroundLyner Barfless wrote:BDSMKane wrote:I posted on GameFAQs a while ago that if Mugen Souls passed with a T, the reasoning behind Sadie's change would be questioned by those who aren't very trusting. Since I never believe the motives of a company, I of course never trust their stated intent; nothing personal against NISA, they are higher on my trust level than most. Anytime the content is edited in a way that would potentially alter the rating though, my mind instantly thinks marketing and censorship.
Keep in mind that ratings do not exist on a "sliding scale." That is to say, and I posted this elsewhere, but if you have a movie, say Toy Story, which was rated what, PG? Add two f-bombs to it and it HAS to get rated "R." Now edit out those two f-bombs. It doesn't "slide" down to PG-13, it goes to PG because the perceived offensive content is no longer in the title, and what remains is relatively tame.
So something getting rated Teen in the video game world is under the same set of rules. It doesn't mean "well it would've gotten Mature," at all. It's not a sliding scale.
Rednal wrote:I think they've pretty much learned their lesson, though. o wo And let's face it, standards were different back then.
Also: Mark danced crazy!
myskaros wrote:Spoiler:BDSMKane wrote:I see your point, but as I said before, I am generally just a paranoid person that doesn't trust the motives of businesses, or even people really. I also don't want to try to debate with you about that aspect because I respect you and appreciate your candor, so just chalk me up as a loon who needs more faith.
I don't see how you expect to get or contribute anything productive in this discussion with that kind of attitude. It seems you're going to deflect all reasonable arguments against you or your stance as "I'm paranoid, I don't believe you," so you're not going to get much from here, and you're not going to have a very easy time convincing other people either.
Maybe your only objective is to convert everyone to your way of thinking, but if you're actually trying to get something out of the conversation you really need to change your attitude, because I personally don't see any value in reading the words of or trying to reason with someone who just openly states "Maybe you're right, but I think you're lying/I don't trust you."
knightnightmare wrote:In the case of games like these most of us want as close to the original product as we can get. I mean we can all accept that certain things will be changed and tweaked during localization that is just part of the process. When you start taking things out of games because it makes some people feel uneasy about some of the content that is where the problem comes in cause where does that end? As far as Mugen Souls goes the mIni game is no great loss as far as gameplay I still think it will be a fun game and a nice addition to NISA's line up. They said this will not be a practice they take all the time but it will make me feel uneasy about every release here on out for a while.
While some say me saying something like this makes me sound entitled that is a pure fanboy argument when they have nothing else to throw at you. Trust me I have heard that many times before from Nintendo fanboys over Xenoblade. I mean honestly in this case would you go buy a movie from a store get it home and it have several scenes edited out from it's original release you would be mad because you would think you should get it just like it was when you saw it at the movies would then you also feel entitled?
NISA isn't really a 'corporation'. They're way too small to be considered that. They are a business though.
Houk wrote:THE HYPOTHETICAL CENSORSHIP OF BABIES!
Venus wrote:What Atlus did to the original Persona on the Playstation was unforgivable. They made characters who were originally Japanese into white characters, changed their names...made the game easier...changed the names of Personae, they changed the setting from Japan to America. I've never seen a worst censorship then this.
That's localization, not censorship.
BDSMKane wrote:Your unconditional compassion for your peers is exceeded only by your endless patience and tact.
ZekeFreek wrote:NakedPlum wrote:That's localization, not censorship.
Okay, no. Even I'll admit what they did to the first Persona was waaaaay beyond what was necessary.
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