Sales, etc: Support group for Sakura Taisen addicts

[Snatcher2047]

Indeed, plus it would finally give me an excuse to buy a PS3. Heaven forbid they do a 360 release, though.

[odinfan]

I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen. One reason is Microsoft(I'm sure you know what I mean). Another reason is practicality. Why would you want to in the first place? How many people are willing to play it? I doubt it would sell to such a demographic.

[androvsky]

You can fit 1-4 on a single dual layer DVD granted if you make a few sacrifices. ST1 would have to be the saturn version along with 2. The total size comes down to about 8.2 gigs, so it can work.

ST1 Original
ST2
ST3 Dreamcast(not sure if the PS2 version is bigger)
ST4

Last check of iso file sizes.

I know a lot of this is just fun idle speculation, and I'm starting to feel like a broken record, but I feel like we should at least acknowledge some publishing realities. File size has almost nothing to do with the practicality of releasing a bundle like that. The Sakura Wars games have a great deal of text; according to an interview with NISA in Nintendo Power, localizing Sakura Wars V was their largest project by far. It's going to take a minor miracle for them to make their money back on just this single game's release.

But so many people want them to release Sakura Wars 1&2, and now all four? That's four times the localization costs! Do you honestly think that they'd get four times as many buyers? The market for these games is a certain size, tossing four games on one disc isn't going to greatly increase the number of people wanting to buy it.

They could save a lot of money by releasing them without a dub, just Japanese audio and English text. But then they lose out on a lot of sales by not having a dub... NISA would have a better idea what kind of percentage loss there'd be than I do. But even if it does make sense for them to release a Japanese audio only version, it'd make a lot more sense to do it one game at a time.

[odinfan]

I really don't see the harm in some fun imaginary scenarios. I realize there has been a lot of talk about this, and that it wouldn't be economically nor realistically feasible, but again, if you're going to be so opposed to it, then why bring the game in the first place? There is always reason to go farther than what you've already done. This could be their next step.

Oh and if you're going to bash on people for wanting the PSP versions, why you yourself would want 1 and 3 to be ported is beyond me. Your original quote:

Androvsky on NeoGAF wrote:
I keep seeing people suggest this on the NISA forums, and I keep cringing every time. Just because it's a PSP game doesn't mean NISA would save a single dime on the localization costs versus localizing the PS2 ports. And if they do bring over the PSP version, assuming SCEA lets them sell the two games separately, they'd get to try to recoup the massive localization costs on the PSP... in the west.

Yeah, I know the second game never got a PS2 port, but even if all we get is 1 and 3 ported to the Wii and maybe HD systems, I'll survive.

You realize people are still going to buy the games regardless if they are localized, because they've had a taste of it once. If you were talking about the mainstream crowd in that statement, you shouldn't bother. I'm sure you've noticed by now that we're their fanbase, and we'll support them if no one else. I'm just trying to bring to light as to what you mean by profitable. The fact that they can sell such a niche product means they have a decent ground at this point to sell the others. If you're going to complain about which to bring over, then you obviously aren't keen on their practices. You want a specific game in the series. Most of us want anything to come over.

I'm not sure you know that porting a game isn't as simple as you think. Your situation is even less feasible at this point, so your whole rant is pretty obsolete.

[androvsky]

I really don't see the harm in some fun imaginary scenarios. I realize there has been a lot of talk about this, and that it wouldn't be economically nor realistically feasible, but again, if you're going to be so opposed to it, then why bring the game in the first place? There is always reason to go farther than what you've already done. This could be their next step.

Oh and if you're going to bash on people for wanting the PSP versions, why you yourself would want 1 and 3 to be ported is beyond me.

Sorry, I was kinda grumpy last night from lack of Yakuza and Sakura Wars sales leaks from NPD.

The difference with the ports is that at least it's one game at a time, and if Idea Factory did the Wii port right, the other games that were on the PS2 should be a lot easier to port. And in theory, they could arrange a release in Japan to make back some of the porting costs (I get the funny feeling Sega would object though).

But if anyone can make back their money on a PSP game, it's a niche publisher like NISA. They'd probably have to do cut back on the dub or not bother at all, they'd have to make sure the severe loading time problems with the UMD version are fixed, and I'd expect them to at least release the two games separately.

It all depends on how this game sold on the two systems.


Anyway, the PS3 would be the perfect system if you were going to dump all the games on one disc. Sony's looking like they're willing to work with people trying to port up PS2 games to it, there's plenty of room for both languages in each game, and the draw of four platinum trophies on one disc would draw a lot of extra sales from the trophy fans.

[Magitek]

I remember there being a leak a few months ago regarding Sega bringing Dreamcast games to the PSN. Maybe that might open the gates for this.

[nunubx]

Anyway, the PS3 would be the perfect system if you were going to dump all the games on one disc. Sony's looking like they're willing to work with people trying to port up PS2 games to it, there's plenty of room for both languages in each game, and the draw of four platinum trophies on one disc would draw a lot of extra sales from the trophy fans.

You see, there in-lies the problem. Now, I know there are more PS3's than 360's in Japan, but in America, there are more 360's than are PS3's, I mean you'll be surprised how many people own a 360 and a Wii and not a PS3 and if NISA pull a stunt like that, they will basically be aliening 60% of the SW fanbase. Now, you may wondering, "Why 360? All they care about are FPS's." That's not true, Because there is a demographic that will welcome SW with open arms. It may be small, and it may be quiet, but it exist. How do they exist, you ask? Well, if they didn't exist, then the 360 wouldn't have Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, BlazBlue, Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, Final Fantasy XIII, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2 and, coming soon, both Record of Agarest War and Alpha Protocol.

[odinfan]

Those games are aimed at the Japanese crowd. Realize we're talking about America here. I doubt I'd want ST on the 360. One because it won't sell here, and two, because I'm just not that keen on Microsoft's machine any longer.

[nunubx]

Those games are aimed at the Japanese crowd. Realize we're talking about America here. I doubt I'd want ST on the 360. One because it won't sell here, and two, because I'm just not that keen on Microsoft's machine any longer.

I was talking about America. Didn't you read my post? And, okay, you don't want SW on the 360. That doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

[Phoenix_Apollo]

So I take it that the game sold OK? Because it would be great if NISA could at least make a profit on it.

I bought the PS2 version at launch, and it was worth it.

[odinfan]

It probably sold well for the PS2, anyway.

[bloodyaftertaste]

Anyway, the PS3 would be the perfect system if you were going to dump all the games on one disc. Sony's looking like they're willing to work with people trying to port up PS2 games to it, there's plenty of room for both languages in each game, and the draw of four platinum trophies on one disc would draw a lot of extra sales from the trophy fans.

You see, there in-lies the problem. Now, I know there are more PS3's than 360's in Japan, but in America, there are more 360's than are PS3's, I mean you'll be surprised how many people own a 360 and a Wii and not a PS3 and if NISA pull a stunt like that, they will basically be aliening 60% of the SW fanbase. Now, you may wondering, "Why 360? All they care about are FPS's." That's not true, Because there is a demographic that will welcome SW with open arms. It may be small, and it may be quiet, but it exist. How do they exist, you ask? Well, if they didn't exist, then the 360 wouldn't have Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, BlazBlue, Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, Final Fantasy XIII, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2 and, coming soon, both Record of Agarest War and Alpha Protocol.

I not sure about every game on your list or more relative to my following statement, the multiplatform games, but I do remember hearing that Final Fantasy sold twice as much on the ps3 then the 360. I'm not sure if that was all sales or just one country's, but you can't deny the PS3 crowd even in American. For one the 360 came out a couple years before the ps3 even did, so they've had a head start and with the recent price drop the ps3 is becoming more and more popular. But if they were to make a compilation of all the games why exclude the playstation? Plus they could always make the collection for Japan too. Just because they've had the prior installments doesn't mean that they wouldn't like they remastered and all on one disc for a current system. Look what happened to GOW.

[nunubx]

I not sure about every game on your list or more relative to my following statement, the multiplatform games, but I do remember hearing that Final Fantasy sold twice as much on the ps3 then the 360. I'm not sure if that was all sales or just one country's, but you can't deny the PS3 crowd even in American. For one the 360 came out a couple years before the ps3 even did, so they've had a head start and with the recent price drop the ps3 is becoming more and more popular. But if they were to make a compilation of all the games why exclude the playstation? Plus they could always make the collection for Japan too. Just because they've had the prior installments doesn't mean that they wouldn't like they remastered and all on one disc for a current system. Look what happened to GOW.

What I'm saying is, if they do make a SW Collection, Don't make it a exclusive, Bring it out for both systems so no one feels left out.

[Ar Tonelico]

Anyway, the PS3 would be the perfect system if you were going to dump all the games on one disc. Sony's looking like they're willing to work with people trying to port up PS2 games to it, there's plenty of room for both languages in each game, and the draw of four platinum trophies on one disc would draw a lot of extra sales from the trophy fans.

You see, there in-lies the problem. Now, I know there are more PS3's than 360's in Japan, but in America, there are more 360's than are PS3's, I mean you'll be surprised how many people own a 360 and a Wii and not a PS3 and if NISA pull a stunt like that, they will basically be aliening 60% of the SW fanbase. Now, you may wondering, "Why 360? All they care about are FPS's." That's not true, Because there is a demographic that will welcome SW with open arms. It may be small, and it may be quiet, but it exist. How do they exist, you ask? Well, if they didn't exist, then the 360 wouldn't have Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, BlazBlue, Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, Final Fantasy XIII, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2 and, coming soon, both Record of Agarest War and Alpha Protocol.

It doesn't matter how many people own a 360 in America. Even if every single person in America had a 360 it still wouldn't make a difference to Japan. As long as Japanese prefer PS3 over 360, then JRPGs will be made for PS3. So even if someone bought a 360 in America hoping for some JRPGs, well then hate to say it but they're SOL(no offense to anyone). Besides most of those JRPGs you mention on 360 were merely just like demos compared to the PS3 version that would be made later on. Final Fantasy XIII is only on 360 in America and Europe but why not Japan? Huh? It's because the game was made for PS3 and more people in Japan have a PS3. BlazBlue is a fighting game. But why do you think PS3 already has a JRPG library of games that rivals or maybe even beats 360's list of JRPGs and yet 360 is an older console? It's because 360 JRPGs don't sell as many in Japan as the PS3 versions.

Japan plays an important role as to what console developers will make JRPGs for and America just gets I guess you could call it left-overs and the same goes for games made in America becoming left-overs for the Japanese.

It pretty much comes down to it doesn't matter what any American thinks as far as Japanese made games goes as long as those Japanese games are enjoyed by Japanese on the console they rather play the game on and are happy with it(or at least purchase the PS3 version). It's like how a lot of Americans who own a 360 prefer playing FPS on 360.

[bloodyaftertaste]

It pretty much comes down to it doesn't matter what any American thinks as far as Japanese made games goes as long as those Japanese games are enjoyed by Japanese on the console they rather play the game on and are happy with it(or at least purchase the PS3 version). It's like how a lot of Americans who own a 360 prefer playing FPS on 360.

Though I hear most people like FPS on the computer more than any other system