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[kingruler9999]

Thank you for this info, I just hope it makes Kurtis appear more often

[Seventh]

So the great method of duping is something that's stuck at 10%?

That's both impressive and baffling.

It's not so much "great" as it is "legit." If N1 wanted to take it out of the game, they could, but they instead nerfed the steal rate (it was around 20% in Disgaea 3, and it was easier to find Dropouts in Class World than it is to find Heart Constructs in Chara World or make your own senators vote "Nay").

If you want to dupe using the RosenQueen method, here's a link:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995078-d ... n/60425711

And the basic idea there is to like... Get a bunch of Statisticians into a Testament or something, get it to level 10, and dupe it to hell?

[Faolchu]

So the great method of duping is something that's stuck at 10%?

That's both impressive and baffling.

It's not so much "great" as it is "legit." If N1 wanted to take it out of the game, they could, but they instead nerfed the steal rate (it was around 20% in Disgaea 3, and it was easier to find Dropouts in Class World than it is to find Heart Constructs in Chara World or make your own senators vote "Nay").

If you want to dupe using the RosenQueen method, here's a link:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995078-d ... n/60425711

And the basic idea there is to like... Get a bunch of Statisticians into a Testament or something, get it to level 10, and dupe it to hell?

That's pretty much what most people did lol. Makes staying within the top 200 ranks tough as...

[Seventh]

Sounds... fairly straightforward I guess. I'll have to try it one of these days, before it gets taken out.

Way too lazy to Item World right now though. I just like doing Ordeals 4 over and over with the occasional Chara Worlding... Ironically, though, I bet all of this would go a ton faster if I had the statisticians.

[kingruler9999]

Sounds... fairly straightforward I guess. I'll have to try it one of these days, before it gets taken out.

Way too lazy to Item World right now though. I just like doing Ordeals 4 over and over with the occasional Chara Worlding... Ironically, though, I bet all of this would go a ton faster if I had the statisticians.

LOL it does after I got them its now probably 10x if not faster, also leveling while chara worlding also is fast my Axel got to 9999 in there just by looking for evilities.

[myskaros]

Sounds... fairly straightforward I guess. I'll have to try it one of these days, before it gets taken out.

Way too lazy to Item World right now though. I just like doing Ordeals 4 over and over with the occasional Chara Worlding... Ironically, though, I bet all of this would go a ton faster if I had the statisticians.

Even if you just farm a single stack, that's increasing your experience by another factor of 2 (experience bonuses are additive; MtO4 already gives +100%, Professors give another 20% for Teaching License).

MtO4 LoC with 16 lvl 300 Statisticians lets you level any character with Big Bang and the associated monsters from 1 to 9999 in 2 shots.

[Faolchu]

Anyone messed around with base creation yet?
Are we able to change to models of the npcs? Like the trainer from the iron knight to something else etc.

[AsukaNeumaki]

Anyone messed around with base creation yet?
Are we able to change to models of the npcs? Like the trainer from the iron knight to something else etc.

In base creation you can change anybody besides residents, timetraveler, and the girl that takes you to LoC

[Seventh]

Sounds... fairly straightforward I guess. I'll have to try it one of these days, before it gets taken out.

Way too lazy to Item World right now though. I just like doing Ordeals 4 over and over with the occasional Chara Worlding... Ironically, though, I bet all of this would go a ton faster if I had the statisticians.

Even if you just farm a single stack, that's increasing your experience by another factor of 2 (experience bonuses are additive; MtO4 already gives +100%, Professors give another 20% for Teaching License).

MtO4 LoC with 32 lvl 300 Statisticians lets you level any character with Big Bang and the associated monsters from 1 to 9999 in 2 shots.

... How do I get 32 of the things? Eight on a bunch of legendaries...? Or rather-- Is everything involved gonna need to have eight, basically?

[myskaros]

Whoops, edited, I meant 16. I'm just saying that having a couple stacks will increase your leveling rate by multitudes. If you want 16, either farm for the PPS and try to dupe them during Chara World runs, or you can step into the dark side and do some glitch-duping.

[Seventh]

Ah, I gotcha.

But I'm still not quite getting how to assemble 'em when I get 'em. Put four on every character involved in the Magichanging? Put them all on the main character?

[myskaros]

Innocents on monster equipment do not apply once Magichanged. Only the equipment remaining on the humanoid will count. Hence why you "only" need 16, since, with dual giant MCG, you'll only have 2 original equipment slots left. Then just move them around to other characters when you need to level them.

EDIT: And in case you weren't aware, experience earned for Magichange and fusion and whatnot is all copied, not distributed. So, the human is the only character technically earning the experience, the experience is multiplied by whatever (Stats, Geo blocks, Evilities), then copied to all MCG monsters, then copied to anyone in the Training Grounds evil area if your human is there. Same thing for mana and Aura Pyramid, except there's some crazy interaction with fusion if they all belong to the pyramid that I don't understand >.>

[Seventh]

Innocents on monster equipment do not apply once Magichanged. Only the equipment remaining on the humanoid will count. Hence why you "only" need 16, since, with dual giant MCG, you'll only have 2 original equipment slots left. Then just move them around to other characters when you need to level them.

OH, okay, I got it now. That's actually pretty simple!

Thanks for the help. Duping aside, if I can wrangle up those things even without the duping, that should be plenty.

[Yajirobe]

Innocents on monster equipment do not apply once Magichanged. Only the equipment remaining on the humanoid will count. Hence why you "only" need 16, since, with dual giant MCG, you'll only have 2 original equipment slots left. Then just move them around to other characters when you need to level them.

OH, okay, I got it now. That's actually pretty simple!

Thanks for the help. Duping aside, if I can wrangle up those things even without the duping, that should be plenty.

Duping would be the easiest/less tedious way to go about it.

I'm not sure about high level items, but my Statisticians have all been level 12-30, going between r10-30 gear.
You can fill your inventory, put the statisticians on a weapon and give that weapon to a generic, then reincarnate it into the opposite type (Monster to Human, Human to Monster) to quickly dupe, unless you're against that kind more "Exploity" duping. Though once you start duping with the Puppy Paw Stick, you can put all the statisticians on 1 item and it speeds up.

[Overlord Hero Noctis]

Innocents on monster equipment do not apply once Magichanged. Only the equipment remaining on the humanoid will count. Hence why you "only" need 16, since, with dual giant MCG, you'll only have 2 original equipment slots left. Then just move them around to other characters when you need to level them.

EDIT: And in case you weren't aware, experience earned for Magichange and fusion and whatnot is all copied, not distributed. So, the human is the only character technically earning the experience, the experience is multiplied by whatever (Stats, Geo blocks, Evilities), then copied to all MCG monsters, then copied to anyone in the Training Grounds evil area if your human is there. Same thing for mana and Aura Pyramid, except there's some crazy interaction with fusion if they all belong to the pyramid that I don't understand >.>

Oh my, no wonder why I had so much trouble leveling up some of my cast. I had been wondering why my 3 stacks of Statisticians weren't boosting my leveling at all. It's because the Magichange monster replaced the weapon that had all of them on it. I can't believe I had been so blind to not have notice this before. Looks like all my statisticians have to move to the 4th equip slot now.