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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby vampko » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:42 pm

stealth20k wrote:Not directly. But when the game was just getting announed the reactions were positive. When the game came out same deal

I was working as a 360 tester. Those were the people whom I worked with, and who worked in the same building as me. This was in Redmond as well.

I'm not making this up, this is the sort of stuff I heard all the time there.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby LAMV » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:45 pm

Also, I was refering to the internet community in my post, especially in places like 4chan. I don't know how it is in real life (it's sucks feeling like the only anime fan in my family), but I imagine it's similar. Especially when you remember that 4Kids allowed violence and the word death in their own cartoons (TMNT 2003) but butcher the hell out of the anime they license and disallow any violence or dying. And that sex in WRPGs seem okay with everyone but a shot of cleavage in anime is a reason for a call to arms.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby stealth20k » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:48 pm

4chan gives all people a bad name
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Prinapocalypse » Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:19 pm

There is a huge double standard when it comes to anime on US tv, an example would be sci-fi had Macross Plus on once and blurred parts of the ghost/computer singer women's bodies even though it was the non-extended cut version which as far as I recall has little to no nudity and for sure didn't have any where they were blurring! :lol:

Needless to say I had a good laugh and was thankful I live in Canada which is much less strict~
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Catolf » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:13 am

Aphrah wrote:Damn it. Some UK retailers are breaking the street date. :<

Screenshot time! (Slight spoilers)

Upper half of the flaming spider monster (boss)

Boar Helmet?

Seathe (boss?), a Crystal Dragon, who betrayed his own kin to gain an unimaginable power.

Some kind of armour set

Character Creation

NPC?

Damage Enemies by Rolling Armour!



Is it a shame i really REALLY want the boar helmet?
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Aphrah » Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:26 am

Just got a text saying my Dark Souls Collector's Edition is all ready for me to pick up tomorrow. I have to say, I like how SmythsToys handle preorders. No deposit, you just give them your phone no., they send you a text the day before the game comes out, then you show them the text and cha-ching. It's also nice to get 10% off the total price (membership, was free when I signed up, costs money now) ~
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Daverost » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:06 pm

Amazon's boggarting my copy because I picked the free super saver shipping. They did it with Catherine, too ._.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Ghaleon » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:31 pm

I've had my hands on a copy now for 2 days (3 if you count the last 2 hours since it's 2am).. I'm enjoying it alot. Some of my observations though (remember, I'm a critic, just cuz I mention flaws doesn't mean that's all I see >=P).

1: While the game is often advertised as open world, it doesn't really feel that way. Yes, you can go wherever you want. But there are no open fields or whatever for you to wander on endlessly like with elder scrolls or whatever. Even Diablo 2 felt more open. The way it's open world, is it kinda plops you in the middle of a giant imaginary 'X', and your choices are to go up left, up right, etc.. But once you go in that direction, it's very linear. AS you reach the end of a route, you'll probably get a key or something, which may be an extension to another route, which in turn might have an extension to your original. They're all connected in the sense that there are no load times between them... There are no load times at all though.

2: Many so-called fans of demon's souls seem to QQ that this game is "cheaper" harder rather than harder. They say that it's not fair that it's harder because you regularly fight multiple bad guys at once right away, while demon's souls often allowed you to handle them one at a time for the most part. This is true, but I wouldn't say it's cheaper. You just have to deal with it, and play different than before is all. Think of it like those 3 red eye knights at the end of boletaria 3. The actual enemies are easier individually though IMO. Reason is it seems much easier to "stun" most of them for each hit. I seem to recall even the most ordinary of enemies in Demon's souls often did not flinch at all to all but ridiculously overlevel/geared hits.

3: Bosses/Minibosses galore! This is partially good, and partially lame. I personally love bosses and minibosses. However, the designers decided that they would still have random/rare drops. So once you kill one, and fail to get the goodies, you're basically screwed from ever getting it anytime soon (or possibly ever at all in that game?). I hate that. Seriously, whoever made permanent missables (short of New games) should be shot.

4: Despite the pretty linear nature of all the potential routes, the game really does make it hard to know wtf you're supposed to go at times.

5: The documentation for htis game is complete garbage. You know how instruction manuals always have a page with the user interface, and numbers next to every bar/number/object/symbol, and footnotes describing what they mean to you as the player? Well the manual has one of those too...without the numbers. You just magically have to know what they're talking about on the picture, they don't even say in the blah blah corner! But that's just an example, it's much worse. They completely fail to mention the purpose of some very important concepts in the game, such as what exactly humanity is for, how you can expect to get it, etc. It's not documentation, but it's also similar. Another problem is that in order to level up, you have to run/walk over to a bonfire which kinda acts as this game's savespots/heal spot things. They are spaced apart. This itself isn't a problem, but the game doesn't tell you how much experience you NEED to level up...Unless you have enough. I mean, say you have 20k and you need 21k and you goto the fire. You try to level up and it opens the menu, it'll say "Experience needed: *blank*" cuz you haven't "spent" your level ups.. But once you get 50k or whatever and you level up, THEN it'll say 21k. This is rather annoying when you are saving before a boss fight, but have too many souls that you don't want to lose, but not enough to level, so you keep heading back and forth to the damn fire until you CAN level. argh. Another example, there's tons of things in this game that makes you think "wtf can't it just tell me ____".

6: You can upgrade armor just like weapons now, yay. Unfortunately, upgrade options in general seem more limited than before. I hear they are not at all, but I haven't seen any kind of upgrade stones but 1 so far, just for basic overall upgrades, no life stealing options, or dexterity heavy options, or fire damage adding, etc. They might exist, maybe not. Hard to say, either way, you don't get that option very soon.

7: Equipment/weapons in general seems more...fun. In Demon's souls, I found that before long, you got a weapon that was top-tier, and you'll use it for the rest of the game, and every other weapon of hte same type is just a waste of bag space. Like it doesn't take long for you to get the lava bow, or a composite long bow to give spider stones to, or the meat cleaver (I never liked it myself but whatever, I just don't like 2-handers). I find this game has more balance, giving you more (real) choice. Black boots seem op though...The rest of the black set isn't, go figure.

8: Minor gripe but... Capra demon is a really stupid boss fight. The boss itself isn't cheap. The fact it comes with 2 dogs (which are even more annoying in this game than the first, basically they have like a 90% chance of dodging even fast attacks after a successful parry..and have just as sudden an attack) isn't cheap...The fact that it's behind a fog thing that makes you stand motionless for like 2 seconds before you get to move which inside a room about as big as a shoebox IS.. It took me 5 tries to beat that boss, the first 4 times I LITERALLY could not do anything, before I could even move I was cornered between the boss and the fog wall, and just got pummeled. The 5th time the boss decided to glower at me for a second before charging. Because of that delay I could roll behind and have a fighting chance, so I won. WTF would they design a boss like that?! ughh...

Other topic:
I agree with Vampko to an extent. I can't say it's most people, but it is DEFINATELY most of the VOCAL people who are like "lolol, you like this game with anime characters, you're a pedo.. zomg why are you looking at 12 year old panties? wtf?". What's worse is that these people troll you like that, and the seemingly normal people actually BELIEVE that shit. For example, one troll said that Atelier rorona was Lesbian Sex simulator featuring a 12 year old with huge breasts because he took a few aptly timed screenshots of panty shots using items and water girl's boobs (which are pretty ridiculous really). Then someone who I've seen make several posts enough to make me know they aren't a troll actually stated they were grateful for the REAL troll's opinion, and is glad they didn't waste money on such drivel. This is common, I see it all the time. *cries*.

Heck, I couldn't even get my copy of hypderdimension neptunia from gamestop without the salesperson (THE SALESPERSON, he's supposed to CONVINCE ME TO BUY) talking about how anything by IF is crap, and it should be called "Idea Fuck", because all they do is make pedo sims. Then the guy behind me was agreeing. I'm like "It's a game, there isn't a gross amount of pedo material unless you focus on it, if you don't like the game ok, but your reasons are not valid". Now I want to order Mk2 from NISA direction to avoid that BS, but I wont if UPS is still the only option, because they 'll give it to me like 1 year late with an extra 50 buck charge. screw that.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Aphrah » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:40 am

@Ghaleon: About 6., I believe there's 6-8 different upgrade stones.

Just got my copy. Artbook is lovely. The witch looks awesome, I hope she's a NPC. Have yet to listen to the soundtrack and watch the Behind The Scenes. Also currently downloading the digi guide.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Catolf » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:46 am

I've never once had an issue with GS staff when it comes to what kind of games I buy, if anything they are pointing me toward the Rorona's and the Ar Tonlico's (seriously the push for me to buy them) You can't blame the entirety of Gamestop for that one bitter employee. Every place has a gross apple every once in a while. can't fault the whole bunch. Besides, their employee's change like women change pads, I doubt that person is even there anymore.

As far as the whole everyone saying anime games are for pervs, it's not a large majority, but it's a very VOCAL minority. The louder they yell it's they way they sound the troops trying to come to their aid as trolls do. You just ignore them and be on your way..

Or be like me and engage them for what idiots they are and give them a internet slap.

but anyway, back to the topic at hand:

I'm waiting to get my CE (if able) of Dark Souls to avoid the mess amazon has been having, people not getting their CE and getting regular when they wanted the CE so on and so forth. So for now I'm playing demons Souls and other games I need to beat to pass the time.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Ghaleon » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:10 am

I'm not blaming gamespot... I blame the salesguy. I'm just wanting to order that one particular game elsewhere is all, not every game >=P.

But I said the same thing, they may not be the majority, but they are the majority of the people who have anything to actually say in the matter. The people who don't care what games you play wont actually say that, they'll just move on.

As for trolls, yeah I ignore them except when I see that they're actually convincing a potential human being (trolls aren't human) anything. Plus I've never seen a troll trope manage to bridge the gap to reality, quite like this one has somehow. Most trolls, if they did what they do in real life, they'd get shanked in an alley, but not this.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Tiredman » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:25 pm

My view of this game now is yes, its harder, but I haven't had a cheap death yet, and there have been many, though I am only about 4 hours into it. One difference between this one and Demon Souls for me is that I can't seem to play for more than a few hours at a time, when I could do marathon sessions of Demon Souls. Its not that the game isn't fun or anything, not sure what it is, because I really enjoy the game, especially since I just finally figure out how to take out the shield wearing spear users without taking damage. One thing I can say is having played Demon Souls will help you with the exploring part of this game, but will hot help you proceed at a speedy pace. Just like the first game, you have to inch along, as monsters will start to chase you from a further distance than Demon Souls, and they will come from around corners where you won't see them until you are fighting another monster and they sneak up behind you. Thats a death and a lesson learned :lol:

As for the anime discussion, yeah, I grew up on anime, own a ton, including the entirety of Dragon Ball Z. Watched that series when i was a teenager and just took me 15 years to finally see the entirety of the Freiza fight and beyond.... People really do not understand anime inspired visuals. To this day I still tense up a bit when a family member walks in on what would seem like a compromising picture in one of my games, like the Neptunia bandage picture, and they have no context for it and automatically become judge, jury, and executioner. People don't understand that a joke like that in anime is akin to a woman standing on a vent and getting her dress blown up over her head in real life.

Also, whats up with this fixation of panties being extremely taboo? In my opinion panties and the bottom half of a bikini are pretty much the same thing, and women and girls walk around pools and beaches wearing those all the time. So if we say those characters are really wearing bikini's, all of our anime inspired games will become acceptable? In the grand scheme of things, the only misunderstood issues with the west and anime is humor. Most people aren't used to the humor in anime, like Ranma 1/2 for instance, so they see 30 seconds of a show and condemn it. They won't take 20 minutes to watch an episode because they judge without reason. I used to worry about my anime, but I can actually catch my folks watching some nowadays, usually one or 2 once in a blue moon on sci-fi, on pardon forgot that annoying change, scy-fy, or the saturday night adult swim block that I watch weekly, I would catch them watching bleach or Full Metal Alchemist. Times are changing, just slowly.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Ghaleon » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:09 am

*hits desk*
cmon guys the game is out, why is there no discussion?! I want to hear your opinions, complaints, gushes, tears!
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby zatrox » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:12 am

Ghaleon wrote:*hits desk*
cmon guys the game is out, why is there no discussion?! I want to hear your opinions, complaints, gushes, tears!

I sadly am going through the painful experience of international shipping, which is proving to be more frustrating than any game will ever be, Dark Souls included.

Otherwise, believe me, I'd be fueling discussion to no end.
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Re: Dark Souls (PS3-360)

Postby Prinapocalypse » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:18 am

zatrox wrote:
Ghaleon wrote:*hits desk*
cmon guys the game is out, why is there no discussion?! I want to hear your opinions, complaints, gushes, tears!

I sadly am going through the painful experience of international shipping, which is proving to be more frustrating than any game will ever be, Dark Souls included.

Otherwise, believe me, I'd be fueling discussion to no end.

I can relate to the pains of international shipping.

It all really depends on your location and where you're getting it shipped from. An example is if I order something from Japan, I get it in a week, but if I order something from the U.S, which is closer, it takes two weeks. :roll:
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