POLL: Do You Miss Female Gunner and Brawler!?

[Seventh]

Well, I'm not sexist, despite the poll options, but I don't necessarily mind too much when a gender variant of the same class is removed. Having multiple sexes of the same class with just slightly different aptitudes always felt a bit redundant to me, when such slots could have been given to entirely unique classes instead.

That having been said, with the introduction of interchangeable Evilities in D3 even the alternate sex versions of the classes could be distinctive, having access to Evilities that the other gender did not. But, so long as those Evilities (or similar ones) are still available in the overall pool of characters I don't mind if they nix an opposite sex doppelganger; especially if it's to make room for a genuinely unique class.

So much outrage over the loss of the female versions... funny how no one seems to complain that there hasn't been a male Thief class since D1.

1. Aptitudes aside, the usage of the Gunslinger was drastically different from the Gunner - she was a treasure hunter, he was more of a sniper. If I wanted a gun-specific character, I might have gone with him, but her abilities and evilities were just better. Had she visually been a straight up "Merchant" class (what she's clearly based off of, instead of tooled to work with an existing class, would you have been more inclined to miss her?

2. Here's the problem with your logic: It DIDN'T make room for genuinely unique classes and characters. In D4, we have exploding EDF Soldiers, youngerer Geomancers, and Cheeleaders that went to college and became Professors. Additionally, the Majin lost their fight against technology and were replaced by Androids, and there isn't a single new monster class. All that's been added that's genuinely has been done so through DLC, and the DLC shouldn't be included when talking about "making room for classes" if you ask me.

2. As vampko has pointed out many times, the thief in D1 was always female. That said, I listed it in the "Lost Classes" thread in the D4 forum all the same, if you want to take a gander.

[Majin Hanako]

I also miss the cheerleader and the holy dragon.

[Seventh]

I also miss the cheerleader and the holy dragon.

The former we have in the professor, but the latter was just one of the many, many classes axed for no apparent reason.

[AsukaNeumaki]

I also miss the cheerleader and the holy dragon.

I miss the Holy Dragon's so much also

[Good-for-nothing]

1. Aptitudes aside, the usage of the Gunslinger was drastically different from the Gunner - she was a treasure hunter, he was more of a sniper. If I wanted a gun-specific character, I might have gone with him, but her abilities and evilities were just better. Had she visually been a straight up "Merchant" class (what she's clearly based off of, instead of tooled to work with an existing class, would you have been more inclined to miss her?

Big Chance and Long Shot were fairly nice Evilities, make no mistake. Hence why I stated that Evilities expanded upon the differences between differing sex counterpart characters. And no, I still wouldn't miss her; I didn't use a Gunner or a Gunslinger in D3.

2. Here's the problem with your logic: It DIDN'T make room for genuinely unique classes and characters. In D4, we have exploding EDF Soldiers, youngerer Geomancers, and Cheeleaders that went to college and became Professors. Additionally, the Majin lost their fight against technology and were replaced by Androids, and there isn't a single new monster class. All that's been added that's genuinely has been done so through DLC, and the DLC shouldn't be included when talking about "making room for classes" if you ask me.

I didn't specifically mean the transition from D3 to D4, but the drops/additions throughout the series history as a whole. Sorry I wasn't clearer on that.

Exploding EDF Soldiers? Since the EDF Soldiers were the gun-efficient class of D1, that would essentially mean that there are still two gun-specific classes in D4, as were the Gunner/Gunslinger in D3. One just... explodes, instead of the whole treasure-hunting aspect.

Yes, I immediately noticed that D4 had absolutely no new monsters, which was disappointing. All we got was a monster who had been MIA since the first game.

2. As vampko has pointed out many times, the thief in D1 was always female. That said, I listed it in the "Lost Classes" thread in the D4 forum all the same, if you want to take a gander.

I've never heard of this. Was it some sort of localization goof-up with the English voice work? That wouldn't surprise me, as the D1 Thief's appearance leaves its sex pretty ambiguous. However, it has a clearly male voice, without any room for question, and even says 'Who da man?!' as a random attack phrase.

[vampko]

Was it some sort of localization goof-up with the English voice work?

Yes

[Good-for-nothing]

Was it some sort of localization goof-up with the English voice work?

Yes

That's a pretty glaring (and humorous) mistake, then. Is there an article or some source of proof you can link me to regarding this?

[AsukaNeumaki]

Was it some sort of localization goof-up with the English voice work?

Yes

That's a pretty glaring (and humorous) mistake, then. Is there an article or some source of proof you can link me to regarding this?

Well the thief makes several jokes about it in her cam-pain dialogue in D4

[vampko]

Was it some sort of localization goof-up with the English voice work?

Yes

That's a pretty glaring (and humorous) mistake, then. Is there an article or some source of proof you can link me to regarding this?

What Asuka said

And if you play Disgaea AoD (the PSP port) the thief has a decidedly female voice.

[Good-for-nothing]

Mind blown. Thanks for educating me on this unsettling Thief trivia. I'll never be able to look at my Space Pirate the same way again.

[vampko]

Mind blown. Thanks for educating me on this unsettling Thief trivia. I'll never be able to look at my Space Pirate the same way again.

Not a problem. I always found it really awkward that the thief sounded very female in the JP version, but completely male in the EN version. When they fixed it on AoD my suspicions were confirmed. And then with those talks in D4, it was pretty much set in stone.

[Goldskarr]

Honestly, I don't mind. I never really used any other gender - never bothered with the Male Cleric, never tried the female brawler, didn't even notice I unlocked the male archer until post-game... Granted, they had different evilities based on their gender in 3, but again, I never bothered.
Except for the Warriors. I needed the female for a spear user.
Also, why were Fury Fatalists replaced with the Bouncers? I hate Bouncers, both evility and look wise.
Their Innocent personality ALMOST fixes everything. ALMOST.

[dood]

Honestly, I don't mind. I never really used any other gender - never bothered with the Male Cleric, never tried the female brawler, didn't even notice I unlocked the male archer until post-game... Granted, they had different evilities based on their gender in 3, but again, I never bothered.
Except for the Warriors. I needed the female for a spear user.
Also, why were Fury Fatalists replaced with the Bouncers? I hate Bouncers, both evility and look wise.
Their Innocent personality ALMOST fixes everything. ALMOST.

I like both to be honest.

[Goldskarr]

I remember the Fury Fatalist's evilities being rather useful. The Bouncer's evilities are just "Lol I take damage instead of you" or something similar. It's kind of annoying, to be honest.

[dood]

I remember the Fury Fatalist's evilities being rather useful. The Bouncer's evilities are just "Lol I take damage instead of you" or something similar. It's kind of annoying, to be honest.

This may sounds stupid but in RPGs of any kind I never judge a character by stats or things like that. It's always about how they look and I like the way the classes looked. I didn't really favor the character design of the Female gunner and brawler.