Neptunia + MK2 Models

[PringlesXD]

Wasn't some models like... posted at the official/some website, though?

Nope, and I love your avatar. Chihaya forever, even though my favorite is Hibiki. Wait, disregard that, I love them all too much to have a favorite.

I know, right? She's my second favorite now.

[kotakoni]

I'm warning you, the model files can be HUGE or small, depending on how their meshes are packed. From what I heard from the first game, the meshes were horribly compressed so they were huge, but I heard that mk2 was actually extractable (Hence the preview files on the wiki, etc).

Do you mean the compression or the optimization? Because if you mean the compression, I don't think that even matters since we would need the files uncompressed in the end anyways (and that's what's going to end up into RAM either way).

"Buy to use"? Really? Do we need new terms for something that already had a proper term? (what's wrong with just saying "paid program"?)

New terms are fine too. The first game was terribly optimized when loading effects specifically and the models made the system cry screams of pain. Sometimes the hybrid animated pictures in the visual novel part of the game would take too long to load. (In the original game de,p shown at its first debut was working 100x better, and it wasn't as noticeable as in the later copies). The pictures weren't compressed like they were supposed to be. It would be nice if someone extracted the hybrid animation pictures, but that's asking wayyyy too much considering I've got an entire list.

[Sik]

No, the real issue is that the game is behaving like it's running off a hard disk. Optical drives are much slower than hard disks: if you want to read anything you may need to wait a lot of time (even seconds) before the drive is done seeking and can even start reading. The game doesn't take this into account, which results in blatant loading times.

The worst offender of this is rendering the dungeons. The game only loads the meshes the first time they have to be shown. The end result is that when a mesh isn't loaded first it's completely gone, then suddenly it pops up out of nowhere (and this isn't distance related, there's one dungeon where the missing mesh can end up loading when it's nearer to the camera than the player!).

This also happens when switching characters in a dungeon. When you switch to a different character, it will disappear for a moment - that's the time between unloading the current mesh and waiting for the new one to be done loading.

And no, I didn't hack the game at all. I've noticed all this just by observing how the game behaves. I've programmed long enough to figure out this kind of behaviors =P

[kotakoni]

No, the real issue is that the game is behaving like it's running off a hard disk. Optical drives are much slower than hard disks: if you want to read anything you may need to wait a lot of time (even seconds) before the drive is done seeking and can even start reading. The game doesn't take this into account, which results in blatant loading times.

The worst offender of this is rendering the dungeons. The game only loads the meshes the first time they have to be shown. The end result is that when a mesh isn't loaded first it's completely gone, then suddenly it pops up out of nowhere (and this isn't distance related, there's one dungeon where the missing mesh can end up loading when it's nearer to the camera than the player!).

This also happens when switching characters in a dungeon. When you switch to a different character, it will disappear for a moment - that's the time between unloading the current mesh and waiting for the new one to be done loading.

And no, I didn't hack the game at all. I've noticed all this just by observing how the game behaves. I've programmed long enough to figure out this kind of behaviors =P

The dungeons made me lag when they loaded before I got too close. This is why in Neptunia MK2, dungeons are in sections instead of being in one place. There are times in MK2 where the game may transition from hybrid animations to 3D models if your copy is too early in versions. My copy has the option to switch from 3D to the animations anyway. I have a friend who doesn't have the option. You can also tell in the model that it's been smoothed dramatically. The pauses between changing characters didn't startle me because the models had tons of smoothing on them. Basically the models were made to look polygonal, and someone who is really good at smoothing meshes came along and smoothed the meshes to make them look more professional, and then applied the textures to the models. I was satisfied with the game, and at least it wasn't as terribly optimized as Love Death 555. If anything HDN and MK2 were optimized better than most games are. The only thing I'm not satisfied with is the fact that the models themselves do not have eyes. The eyes are just textures like they were in Ar tonelico Qoga. Every blink looks like it was done by the 3D model, but it was actually just a texture animation that was done frame-by-frame, perfectly. The mouths are the same way as well.

[SakiChan]

Getting them models actually would be kinda hard. All I can say is getting textures does work, but depends on the file size of the original file and how they're organized. From what I tried, Metaseq didn't really work with Atelier Totori's model files,so I dunno about those from CH since it's a pain to extract these anyways in all ways

[kotakoni]

Getting them models actually would be kinda hard. All I can say is getting textures does work, but depends on the file size of the original file and how they're organized. From what I tried, Metaseq didn't really work with Atelier Totori's model files,so I dunno about those from CH since it's a pain to extract these anyways in all ways

You have to convert the textures to png. Bmps do not work in Metaseq. I successfully got Finnel into metaseq with no problems, Suzunomia too.

[SakiChan]

You have to convert the textures to png. Bmps do not work in Metaseq. I successfully got Finnel into metaseq with no problems, Suzunomia too.

Hhmhm okay thanks,I'll try to check into Neptunia's files later then.

[kotakoni]

I still find it impossible to do anything with these models. Super-encrypted crap is impossible...

[SakiChan]

I still find it impossible to do anything with these models. Super-encrypted crap is impossible...

That's the problem with it being one of Compile Hearts games,doing something with GUSTs is ways easier...

[kotakoni]

I still find it impossible to do anything with these models. Super-encrypted crap is impossible...

That's the problem with it being one of Compile Hearts games,doing something with GUSTs is ways easier...

I already have Meruru's and Qoga's files extracted though. I'm done with GUST right now.

[kotakoni]

Thanks to the help of howfie from Xentax forums, I am now able to extract the model files from Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2. I am very, very, VERY grateful to him. I owe my largest gratitude. I am in great debt to him. They will be extract ASAP and they will be converted to many file types.

[kotakoni]

SUCCESS. The girls I currently have extracted are: Nepgear, Uni, Rom, Ram, and Neptune. I will update the list when I have successfully added textures and converted the girls.

[pandahao]

idk anything about models, but is it possible to extract a model from mmo games?

[Ghaleon]

It's probably possible with ANY game, but the difficulty is Dependant on the individual game and the platform(and the format of the files) more than the game's genre.

[Animeruko]

idk anything about models, but is it possible to extract a model from mmo games?

Very easy if the game runs DX9.