Just how strong was Val as the Tyrant?

[dood]

change can be fun but you have to admit it would be nice to actually see the weapon instead of nothing being there.

Well i actually like it to be honest. To each his own I suppose.

[WolfSorcerer]

Getting back to OP I think Val being feared by absolutely every demon out there would stat wise have max stat and level he also said the titles were cute which means he must have been 100% total wicked badass.

[King_Krichevskoy]

Oh i'm sure he was near baal like badassness

[Laharl2nd]

did you by any chance do his DLC?

stat wise hes broken as all hell lol. has the highest growths ive ever seen and his unique attacks are just wow. you get him you can basically solo the post game to an extent. you still have to be smart as they can still one shot you.

as for storywise I imagine he was on par with many overlords due to drinking blood. See he had something going he was incredibly strong but at the cost he had to keep drinking blood to stay that way. as you can see he weakened considerably without it into the val we all know and love. and oh yeah SARDINES! but tyrant val could probably go toe to toe with zetta and baal.

[King_Krichevskoy]

Yea I've done the DLC and The special(evility I believe) to turn people over to your team is.....insane to say the least and on top of that his sheer badassness, looks wise.

[Rhuen]

His unique attacks are okay but don't really lend much to "can destroy worlds" then again those specials in the weapon stats bug me if only because the unique moves seem to pale to moves that be taught to any humanoid; but I digress, not sure how strong he was as a Tyrant, but I doubt he was on the same level as Baal and Zenon.

If only because those two can travel between worlds and reincarnate and still retain their power, Valvatorez relied on human blood and fear energy. As for sheer power level, it is hard to tell.

After all there are Overlords that can destroy planets, Laharl, King Krichevskoy, Baal, Zenon, and Babylon are on that list.

Valvatorez said he once battled Death King Hugo for days and it was a stand still, yet no talk of planet busting between them. Zetta I always felt overblew himself, but given the balance issues and level alterings between games for post and DLC stuff its hard to say what is really canon.

[King_Krichevskoy]

His unique attacks are okay but don't really lend much to "can destroy worlds" then again those specials in the weapon stats bug me if only because the unique moves seem to pale to moves that be taught to any humanoid; but I digress, not sure how strong he was as a Tyrant, but I doubt he was on the same level as Baal and Zenon.

If only because those two can travel between worlds and reincarnate and still retain their power, Valvatorez relied on human blood and fear energy. As for sheer power level, it is hard to tell.

After all there are Overlords that can destroy planets, Laharl, King Krichevskoy, Baal, Zenon, and Babylon are on that list.

Valvatorez said he once battled Death King Hugo for days and it was a stand still, yet no talk of planet busting between them. Zetta I always felt overblew himself, but given the balance issues and level alterings between games for post and DLC stuff its hard to say what is really canon.

After I posted my comment I remembered the mention of the battle with Hugo and he wasn't all that and a bag of chips...so now I'm not sure and zetta, long winded and egotistical as he may be, still was feared by many if not all the other overlords in makai kingdom so that has to count for something...even though if it wasn't for salome he wouldn't be all that great.

[dood]

It states pretty clearly in D4 that Zetta's the storngest Over Lord in the universe. In his own game he had the most mana which I suppose is the strongest in that universe.

[ZekeFreek]

One NIS character that people often overlook in these kinds of discussions is Mao's Father, who was said to be the strongest Overlord in existence, by Aurum no less, and he would probably know more than anyone, as someone who pretty made a living off of killing Overlords. If fact, it was heavily implied that Mao's Father could've easily defeated Aurum if he had only used his Century Killer move. I would place Mao's Father as being equal to Baal.

Speaking of Mao, anybody recall when he pretty much OBLITERATES THE UNIVERSE IN THE BAD ENDING? That alone would probably make him the strongest, if it was canon. But still, the fact that he could is...

Remember that there is always a distinction between in-game power and story power. And in most cases, it's apparent that in-story, character are always depicted as being far stronger than they actually are in gameplay.

For story purposes, I would wager to say that Tyrant Valvatorez is the single most powerful character in the NISverse. The promise is really the only thing keeping Val's power in check. I mean, c'mon, the only opponent the DE-POWERED current day Valvatorez seems to even be intimidated by is fucking God himself.

[King_Krichevskoy]

It states pretty clearly in D4 that Zetta's the storngest Over Lord in the universe. In his own game he had the most mana which I suppose is the strongest in that universe.

All because of dear old salome.

[Rhuen]

Aurum is also a few centuries out of date with who is currently the strongest. He slayed Overlords, but who says he ever encountered Zetta, Babylon, Krichevskoy, Zenon, ect... after all we have seen numerous mostly nameless demons calling themselves Overlords (D4 had 10 like that, ect,,,)

Basically it seems Aurum got to Mao's father, and pretty much went insane because he knew he held back; and after facing numerous other Overlords and evil gods (whose powers are unknown), being video game based...consider the level of most RPG final bosses...like the very first Dragon Warrior where the Dragon Lord was roughly level 34. Maybe it was just me who got that impression he had been slaying traditional overlords across the multi-verse, and thought this one was strongest, and not getting the battle he wanted lost it and came up with that insane plan to raise a deadly Overlord to fight.

[ZekeFreek]

Aurum is also a few centuries out of date with who is currently the strongest. He slayed Overlords, but who says he ever encountered Zetta, Babylon, Krichevskoy, Zenon, ect... after all we have seen numerous mostly nameless demons calling themselves Overlords (D4 had 10 like that, ect,,,)

Basically it seems Aurum got to Mao's father, and pretty much went insane because he knew he held back; and after facing numerous other Overlords and evil gods (whose powers are unknown), being video game based...consider the level of most RPG final bosses...like the very first Dragon Warrior where the Dragon Lord was roughly level 34. Maybe it was just me who got that impression he had been slaying traditional overlords across the multi-verse, and thought this one was strongest, and not getting the battle he wanted lost it and came up with that insane plan to raise a deadly Overlord to fight.

But he's not the only one. Everybody seemed to be in agreement that Mao's Father was the strongest.

[Rhuen]

In that Netherworld and connected Human world. (unless we had dialogue I forgot about in post game from the other Netherworld characters)

remember in most cases the humans don't know about the other Netherworlds, nor do most demons it seems.

[King_Krichevskoy]

Exactly the only thing that seems to carry over in terms of strength is baal.

[SiftRock]

I'd say there's a clear tie between
Mao's dad, King K (he was strong enough to fuck baal so badly he had to search for a new body to even exist), Zetta, Tyrant Val, and that's about it.

Zetta saying Tyrant Val would be worthy of his attention says a lot, it means he still thinks he could whoop Val at his finest, and he'd just be a worthy opponent, that's not him saying Val is even stronger, just that he's noteworthy.

Baal and Zetta are the strongest in my eyes, never saw much of Mao's dad as they never expand on him much despite how much of the story he's focused on, and King K, he's got baal stats in D4's dlc, so going by that he's up there.